If the election were held today...

[Deena]

Who would you vote for... I am just curious how the numbers break down here... because I saw another poll like this, on another site... and was actually surprised at how close the numbers were!

I am not adding an other... simply because I am wanting to compare to the other poll, and there were only two choices.

[mom.mia.kai]

McCain....don't love it him, but I'll vote for him b/c of the alternative.

[kjbstevens]

McCain

[Chreamps]

Obama

[rainbowkitty]

Still unsure, but if i DID have to vote today it would be for him.

[Carjazi]

Personally, I think that McCain just threw a major monkey wrench into the election by having a woman as his choice for VP. I'm interested to find out more about her, but I have strong democratic beliefs, so if it were today, I'd have to say Obama. But I do still have 2 months to change my mind. :)

[opeysmama]

McCain for sure. I love his conservative running mate. I don't know a lot about her, but she is pro-life and anti same sex marriage. So to me this is a good thing, very conservative and that's my main interest. I want morals. She's more conservative then McCain, he's too liberal for me. But they're the best choice for me by far.

[nanasdinky]

McCain

[nikkiARNGwife]

McCain!! :)

[wererich]

Isn't Colin Powell running? He's got my vote, LOL.

[Deena]

Isn't Colin Powell running? He's got my vote, LOL.

Bahahahaha

I totally agree (even though I am an Obama supporter) that McCain's choice for a running mate, was extremely smart on his part!! What I have read about her so far is very positive, and I definitely think this is going to make the election an even tighter race than it already was!

[scrapyardkath]

I am curious that women would even consider mcain. Do women really want to loose a women's right to choose for their own reproductive rights? Do we really want Roe-v-Wade overturned? I sure don't! if women don't vote Dem, we will loose it.

[DogwoodMama]

McCain/Palin!!! :)

Responding to the last post...
Not all women are pro-choice. I'm personally pro-life, though I wouldn't support overturning Roe v Wade because I feel that would be too divisive. I don't think it would ever happen anyway.

[nikkiARNGwife]

I am curious that women would even consider mcain. Do women really want to loose a women's right to choose for their own reproductive rights? Do we really want Roe-v-Wade overturned? I sure don't! if women don't vote Dem, we will loose it.


There are many many women in this country who are pro life.

[strangejen]

I would like to see like . . . EVERYONE . . . chime in here, even just with hitting the button to vote, not even necessarily commenting . . . I'm very interested in seeing the demographic from a large percentage of us.

(And I know not everyone on this board is in the USA . . .)

I also hope that we are all making plans right now to ensure we will be able to vote come November. Are you registered? Do you know where your voter card is? Do you know where and when early voting is? Make those plans now!!!

[scrapyardkath]

He does plan to elect new SC justices to overturn it.

[kjbstevens]

I am curious that women would even consider mcain. Do women really want to loose a women's right to choose for their own reproductive rights? Do we really want Roe-v-Wade overturned? I sure don't! if women don't vote Dem, we will loose it.
I don't think being pro-life takes away your right to keep your legs closed to start with. The only reason I have any second guess on overturning it is because it might possible affect rape or life or death situations. I don't even see this as a campaign issue with people wanting to make our country unstable and needing new energy options. I guess it's all in our personal priorities. I'd never get one so it's not even on my mind if they helps why I like him. We all have different thinking processes. :)

[Heather Manning]

There are many many women in this country who are pro life.

I'm one of them. Voting for McCain!

[Chreamps]

Just a question, and maybe there should be another thread started on this, but was wondering - what is the #1 most important issue for each of you regarding this presidential campaign?

[strangejen]

I don't think being pro-life takes away your right to keep your legs closed to start with

that was uncalled for. that's SO not what reproductive rights boils down to, it is much much more complicated than that.

[nikkiARNGwife]

Just a question, and maybe there should be another thread started on this, but was wondering - what is the #1 most important issue for each of you regarding this presidential campaign?


Our country's safety and foreign relations...the rest is just the same old issues rehashed over and over.

and right now the energy crisis definately

[Stacey42]

Bob Barr.

I don't like the 'main' choices

[[michele]]

I would like to see like . . . EVERYONE . . . chime in here, even just with hitting the button to vote, not even necessarily commenting . . . I'm very interested in seeing the demographic from a large percentage of us.


I agree! And, fwiw right now it's almost 50-50!

:) Michele

[1girl1boy]

definitely mccain/palin!

[Wags374]

I wasn't going to vote because I didn't like either choice - but I am a huge fan of Palin's so with today's announcement McCain/Palin will get my vote.

[Mom2aTrio (JZDesigns)]

I NEED change...my vote goes to Obama :clap

[unica]

I'm liberal all the way. I personally would never vote for somebody that thinks some people have more rights than others (as in the gay issue). I'm all about family and I do think the best set of morals/character you could give to a child is a combination of respect, caring and a deep sense of equality. Obama and Biden get my vote, no question.

[kjbstevens]

that was uncalled for. that's SO not what reproductive rights boils down to, it is much much more complicated than that.
I wasn't saying it to be rude especially since you'll be sensitive being the opposite opinion on some of us. There are many choices you can chose to involve yourself and your partner before the fact. Once conception happens I see it as other persons welfare involved that is far beyond my control. Just like with the babies I lost. I didn't have any control over them so I guess I just put the same faith in any baby whether wanted or not. :)

[Deena]

I also hope that we are all making plans right now to ensure we will be able to vote come November. Are you registered? Do you know where your voter card is? Do you know where and when early voting is? Make those plans now!!!

I second this!! Definitely make sure you have your voter registration in ASAP! And all that good stuff :)

My voter id card is in my Purse!

[Heather Manning]

I'm registered, but crap if I know where my Voter ID card is now. I've always used my driver's license against the list they have at the voting center.

Do all states do that? Have a list of people registered to vote? Check them off by comparing ID (either license or voter card?) I've never voted anywhere but in Iowa.

[kjbstevens]

Here in Maryland they've always used my drivers license but in Virginia I had to show my voter ID in 2000.

[Chreamps]

This spring we had to show our driver's license in Northwest Ohio.

[strangejen]

Do all states do that? Have a list of people registered to vote? Check them off by comparing ID (either license or voter card?) I've never voted anywhere but in Iowa.

I would say that since different states or counties might do it differently, we should all plan ahead so it's not an issue. You could probably look up your state's law or practice on the internet somewhere.

Ideally, we would all be able to vote early so there's no chance of standing in the rain at 5 p.m. on election day and learning we need the card and wondering what to do. :)

[Davita]

that was uncalled for. that's SO not what reproductive rights boils down to, it is much much more complicated than that.

Thank you for posting that Jen. That is exactly what I was going to point out.

[AndreaBurns]

McCain!

[missys_bits]

I'm registered, but crap if I know where my Voter ID card is now. I've always used my driver's license against the list they have at the voting center.

Do all states do that? Have a list of people registered to vote? Check them off by comparing ID (either license or voter card?) I've never voted anywhere but in Iowa.


FL does it this way too :-)

[[michele]]

We have Voter ID cards? :blush I'm pretty sure (Central Ohio) all we have to do is show our driver's license and they check it against a list.

I hope they send a card reminding me where I'm supposed to vote. In the last seven years, the location has changed four times.

:) Michele

[Deena]

Is it bad I never get asked for any id?? I just tell them my name and address... although I always know at least one person sitting on the election board, and she is my next door neighbor, so that is probably why!! Plus its a small community, so not a lot of voters to keep track of at that polling station!

[leslie_537]

McCain!

[~ashleigh]

I wasn't saying it to be rude especially since you'll be sensitive being the opposite opinion on some of us. There are many choices you can chose to involve yourself and your partner before the fact. Once conception happens I see it as other persons welfare involved that is far beyond my control. Just like with the babies I lost. I didn't have any control over them so I guess I just put the same faith in any baby whether wanted or not. :)


I am sorry for your loss. I can completely understand how life circumstances can affect your opinions.

I just want to point out that not everyone chooses to have sex. Rape and incest are too often ignored, swept under the table, blamed on the victim, and even joked about. How can there be a clause in any anti-abortion law to exclude the victims of rape and incest, when the legal process to prove rape is long and VERY flawed? It seems like most politicians who are against legal and safe abortions are also against accessible birth control and FACTUAL sex education. I just don't think you can have it both ways.

For this, and MANY, MANY other reasons, I am voting Obama/Biden 08!:clap

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

Obama/Biden

[ccouch]

McCain!! Not 100% crazy about him, but there's no way I'd vote for Obama.

[my4boys]

McCain :cheer:cheer

[4noisyboys]

McCain/Palin!!! :)

Responding to the last post...
Not all women are pro-choice. I'm personally pro-life, though I wouldn't support overturning Roe v Wade because I feel that would be too divisive. I don't think it would ever happen anyway.

That is a choice...and that is why I am pro-choice, even though I am pro-life. I want a choice (ok...but I'm probably too old to get pregnant again anyway!! LOL!!). Pro-choice is NOT pro-abortion. Yes...I've known women that used abortion as a means of birth control, but we need to work to stop unwanted pregnancies.

[4noisyboys]

Obama

[JCSimon]

Obama for sure.

[dodo]

I am not American but my parents were and i still follow it all. I am so amazed that with all the traumatic problems happening in the USA right now that all these woman seem to think that pro choice or not is even a consideration in this election . If you don't believe in abortion then don't have one but don't ruin your entire country with a vote for McCain. Obama is the best thing that has happened to this country since Kennedy. I can't help but shake my head when i hear McCain speak and think that anybody could even consider voting for him. To me he is the death of the USA. And i have to much family still in the states to not care.
dodo

[brechasemom]

Well, I hate to follow that but I'm voting for McCain/Palin. I'm glad everyone can have their own opinion.

[AmyM Designs]

I am curious that women would even consider mcain. Do women really want to loose a women's right to choose for their own reproductive rights? Do we really want Roe-v-Wade overturned? I sure don't! if women don't vote Dem, we will loose it.
Reproductive rights, that's an interesting choice of words. The libs are always good at choosing their words carefully ;)
I come at the issue with a different angle than right to choose, or as some like to say "anti-choice", to which I respond "pro-murder". Some of us are more concerned about the destruction of innocent human life than the inconvenience it could bring to the mother. If you believe that a human before it comes out of the womb is indeed a human, there should be no argument to protect human life. If you don't believe it's a human, I still can't understand where any of us humans came from. It's not about a right to choose for me, it's about protecting the most innocent on this earth and respecting the constitution and founding principles of this wonderful country, which promises LIFE and liberty and justice for all. I like to consider the baby's rights as well. It's not part of the mother's body (ok it's in the mother's body, i'm probably not explaining that clearly enough but you get what i mean. separate DNA, etc.) or some blob of cells, it's a separate living human being and I think science is clear on this. But if it's ever proven that a human is indeed NOT a human in the womb, I'll change my mind.

Answering the question, I will be voting for McCain/Palin. If I wanted to live in a socialist nation I'd move to France. No offense to the lovely French folks, I'm just saying. No socialism for me please.

[Just Plain Kristi]

I'd like to participate in the poll but my choice wasn't listed. Anyone here looking at Bob Barr and the Libeterian party at all? I'm all for smaller government, strong national defense, and lower taxes. Give back states' rights issues to the states and get the feds out of our everyday lives! And I'm fed up with paying taxes so the government can bail out every industry that can't manage it's own cash flow and gets in over their heads making stupid decisions. I didn't expect to be bailed out of my bad financial decisions and we pulled ourselves out of debt on our own...why should we bankroll other's mistakes?

Barr isn't even getting onto the national stage or invited to debates. I think he's a great alternative for anyone sick of business as usual in Washington and we need to get his poll numbers up so he can at least be a part of the discussion. Wouldn't that be a kick in the backside for congress to take notice if a Liberterian made president? Then maybe things would actually get done!

[erica922]

OBAMA!!!!!!

[KateH]

I am totally psyched by the Sarah Palin pick. So McCain for me. It would have been anyway, but now it is an enthusiastic vote!

Kate

[blessedmommy]

Obama, 100% Obama. :clap I'm not going to bring out mu long list of my personal reasons because I don't prefer to argue politics with people I don't know well ;).

[dodo]

Reproductive rights, that's an interesting choice of words. The libs are always good at choosing their words carefully ;)
I come at the issue with a different angle than right to choose, or as some like to say "anti-choice", to which I respond "pro-murder". Some of us are more concerned about the destruction of innocent human life than the inconvenience it could bring to the mother. If you believe that a human before it comes out of the womb is indeed a human, there should be no argument to protect human life. If you don't believe it's a human, I still can't understand where any of us humans came from. It's not about a right to choose for me, it's about protecting the most innocent on this earth and respecting the constitution and founding principles of this wonderful country, which promises LIFE and liberty and justice for all. I like to consider the baby's rights as well. It's not part of the mother's body (ok it's in the mother's body, i'm probably not explaining that clearly enough but you get what i mean. separate DNA, etc.) or some blob of cells, it's a separate living human being and I think science is clear on this. But if it's ever proven that a human is indeed NOT a human in the womb, I'll change my mind.

Answering the question, I will be voting for McCain/Palin. If I wanted to live in a socialist nation I'd move to France. No offense to the lovely French folks, I'm just saying. No socialism for me please.



If you are against Pro Murder than i am surprised that you choose McCain as his party is the one that choose to MURDER all those innocent people in Iraq and used nothing but lies to justify it not to mention all the the American mothers that had their babies MURDERED fighting that unnecessary slaughter.

[chengie]

I'm not from the US, so my vote wouldn't count though.

What I would find a more interesting poll is ... 'what was your vote yesterday and what is it now', did you switch since McCain announced his VP candidate to be a woman. A woman who is smart and beautiful, but also sort of a tomboy (I read she loves hunting and fishing). A woman who appeals to a lot of people. I thought it a smart move on his part, since the US seems to have a need for a female in the top.

And if I could vote... Obama

[AmyM Designs]

If you are against Pro Murder than i am surprised that you choose McCain as his party is the one that choose to MURDER all those innocent people in Iraq and used nothing but lies to justify it not to mention all the the American mothers that had their babies MURDERED fighting that unnecessary slaughter.

I don't stick to party lines- I vote for the candidate so republican, democrat, whatever the name is really is not what counts for me. I didn't mean to be offensive in any sort of personal way dodo and I apologize if I was. It's not fair when people say you're anti-choice (as if I don't like freedom and choices for people?) so that's why I usually come back with pro murder, a tit-for tat kinda snarky thing we used to say in political science and sociology classes LOL. I always thought you were the sweetest lady, and I still do so I don't want to say anything that might be taken as personal. I'll just have to disagree with you on the Iraq war thing. We're there now whether we like it or not and the next president needs to get us out of there and personally I do not believe Obama can do it without making a bigger mess. Just my opinion, and everybody has one.

[Jenna]

Reproductive rights, that's an interesting choice of words. The libs are always good at choosing their words carefully ;)

It's much more accurate than "pro-abortion", that's for certain.

[TinsleyHunter]

that was uncalled for. that's SO not what reproductive rights boils down to, it is much much more complicated than that.

Granted, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I am curious what one thinks reproductive 'rights' are?

I actually disagree, the original comment made about this WAS called for. There are tons of women, who, if were more careful (for lack of a better word) would not have to face this situation. Like it or not. A baby is a baby is a baby! There are some who take for granted being pregnant, tossing it out the window like it was nothing. Imagine yourself always wanting, always yearning to have a child of your own and never having that become a reality.........when someone down the road, across the state or nation becomes pregnant every time they turn around and then brutally has their own child murdered. That is what it is.......read your Bible.

People may bring up......what about rape, incest, ect? Ok....what about it? It is a horrible thing to happen to anyone. Working in law enforcement before having my own children, I saw many innocent people in this situation. But I ask you this, everything else aside, whether you completely agree or disagree with me.......would the BABY be at fault for what happened? NOOOOOOOO!!! The baby is completely innocent in all this, but the baby is who would suffer. The baby would be the one held responsible. What kind of society do we live in? Why should an innocent child die? Give the baby up for adoption - there are tons of loving, childless families willing to open their hearts & their homes to a child.

I am definitely voting McCain! For this and tons of other obvious reasons. Our country and the future of our children are at stake! Look what happened the last time we had a democrat in office! We don't need that or something worse again.

[scrappychic]

Obama! Hands down!

[dodo]

I don't stick to party lines- I vote for the candidate so republican, democrat, whatever the name is really is not what counts for me. I didn't mean to be offensive in any sort of personal way dodo and I apologize if I was. It's not fair when people say you're anti-choice (as if I don't like freedom and choices for people?) so that's why I usually come back with pro murder, a tit-for tat kinda snarky thing we used to say in political science and sociology classes LOL. I always thought you were the sweetest lady, and I still do so I don't want to say anything that might be taken as personal. I'll just have to disagree with you on the Iraq war thing. We're there now whether we like it or not and the next president needs to get us out of there and personally I do not believe Obama can do it without making a bigger mess. Just my opinion, and everybody has one.


Oh hun the same here the problem is that in a forum setting you can't hear tone of voice which makes such a huge difference so when we are passionate about something we tend to capitalize which looks mean but is not really we just want to stress and that is just how i took your post, i always try to read a post the way i would say it. Everyone is just so into this election we are afraid of stepping on someones toes but at the end of the day i think we are all in agreement that we are talking about a free country and are all entitled to our choice and opinions without feeling that the other guy is wrong. For me i am so anti war and it has gone on for so long and so many people have died and many more severely injured and knowing that McCain voted for this war and never decided it was not a good thing until he was so criticized for saying he was all for keeping troops there for 100 years that i just can't get passed that. So don't worry no hard feelings taken at all and i hope you didn't feel like i was attacking you either .
dodo
hugs :)

[mama_pajama]

People may bring up......what about rape, incest, ect? Ok....what about it? It is a horrible thing to happen to anyone. Working in law enforcement before having my own children, I saw many innocent people in this situation. But I ask you this, everything else aside, whether you completely agree or disagree with me.......would the BABY be at fault for what happened? NOOOOOOOO!!! The baby is completely innocent in all this, but the baby is who would suffer. The baby would be the one held responsible. What kind of society do we live in? Why should an innocent child die? Give the baby up for adoption - there are tons of loving, childless families willing to open their hearts & their homes to a child.

I am definitely voting McCain! For this and tons of other obvious reasons. Our country and the future of our children are at stake! Look what happened the last time we had a democrat in office! We don't need that or something worse again.

Unless he's changed his policies (again) in order to please more conservative Republicans, McCain has been in favor of making exceptions in cases of rape, incest, and life or death situations for the mother. Also, McCain's official stance isn't fully pro-life, it's more of a state's rights stance. He believes that the states should be left in charge of the abortion issue. So it's not like abortion would be made illegal under him, he would just rather let the states choose whether to allow it or not.

[ashtina]

People may bring up......what about rape, incest, ect? Ok....what about it? It is a horrible thing to happen to anyone. Working in law enforcement before having my own children, I saw many innocent people in this situation. But I ask you this, everything else aside, whether you completely agree or disagree with me.......would the BABY be at fault for what happened? NOOOOOOOO!!! The baby is completely innocent in all this, but the baby is who would suffer. The baby would be the one held responsible. What kind of society do we live in? Why should an innocent child die? Give the baby up for adoption - there are tons of loving, childless families willing to open their hearts & their homes to a child.


What if the woman who is raped then faced losing her life because of the pregnancy? What if that woman already had 5 young children from her marriage AND had recently lost her husband so this pregnancy put her at risk for leaving 5 young children behind as orphans. What if it is a 9 year old girl who was raped by her father?

I am definitely anti-abortion as a method of birth control, and I consider myself to be a woman of strong faith in the Bible and I do believe that life begins at conception... however it is not just a black and white area for many people. I would love to just be able to say no way, no how, no abortion, but I can't because I do believe that there are circumstances where it may be acceptable.

I'm just curious what others feel about this. those that are firmly anti-abortion in any situation. You talk about innocent children being killed and you're right, they are innocent, but is the child who was raped and now finds herself pregnant not innocent? Does she deserve what is happening to her? like I said, there are other situations than just those women who are irresponsible and then choose to kill their unborn child because they screwed up and don't want a baby.

I'm not asking this to point out flaws in anyone's beliefs but merely to bring in some more perspective and truly out of curiosity to see what others feel about these sort of situations. Do you believe it changes anything or is it just black and white to you?

[TinsleyHunter]

Unless he's changed his policies (again) in order to please more conservative Republicans, McCain has been in favor of making exceptions in cases of rape, incest, and life or death situations for the mother. Also, McCain's official stance isn't fully pro-life, it's more of a state's rights stance. He believes that the states should be left in charge of the abortion issue. So it's not like abortion would be made illegal under him, he would just rather let the states choose whether to allow it or not.

I was voicing my opinion on how I think.....and like I said, everyone has their own opinion and rightly so, is entitled to it. McCain is the choice for me - hands down - and I wouldn't have it any other way. I pray that he gets in office.

[TinsleyHunter]

What if the woman who is raped then faced losing her life because of the pregnancy? What if that woman already had 5 young children from her marriage AND had recently lost her husband so this pregnancy put her at risk for leaving 5 young children behind as orphans. What if it is a 9 year old girl who was raped by her father?

I am definitely anti-abortion as a method of birth control, and I consider myself to be a woman of strong faith in the Bible and I do believe that life begins at conception... however it is not just a black and white area for many people. I would love to just be able to say no way, no how, no abortion, but I can't because I do believe that there are circumstances where it may be acceptable.

I'm just curious what others feel about this. those that are firmly anti-abortion in any situation. You talk about innocent children being killed and you're right, they are innocent, but is the child who was raped and now finds herself pregnant not innocent? Does she deserve what is happening to her? like I said, there are other situations than just those women who are irresponsible and then choose to kill their unborn child because they screwed up and don't want a baby.

I'm not asking this to point out flaws in anyone's beliefs but merely to bring in some more perspective and truly out of curiosity to see what others feel about these sort of situations. Do you believe it changes anything or is it just black and white to you?


In response, I strongly disagree with abortion and always have. The examples you gave, all of them unfortunately, I am sure some woman has been faced with in this world. I too consider myself a woman of strong belief and I choose to leave it up to my God, afterall, He is in control and can do anything. Nothing is too small for Him, even serious situations such as this.

[mama_pajama]

I am also a woman of strong belief, and I choose to leave it up to God. I chose to place my baby for adoption 13 years ago instead of having an abortion. But for me to force my opinions, belief system, and choices on others isn't something I feel comfortable with. The abortion issue is the one issue that keeps me from choosing one party over the other, the reason why I'm still a registered Independant. I hate that it's legal, but I'm so happy that I was able to choose the right path for myself, I'd hate to take the choice away from anyone else.

[Kim Mauch]

Obama, 100% Obama. :clap I'm not going to bring out mu long list of my personal reasons because I don't prefer to argue politics with people I don't know well ;).


Well said. And I agree 100%! :clap

[scrapaholic]

What if the woman who is raped then faced losing her life because of the pregnancy? What if that woman already had 5 young children from her marriage AND had recently lost her husband so this pregnancy put her at risk for leaving 5 young children behind as orphans. What if it is a 9 year old girl who was raped by her father?

I am definitely anti-abortion as a method of birth control, and I consider myself to be a woman of strong faith in the Bible and I do believe that life begins at conception... however it is not just a black and white area for many people. I would love to just be able to say no way, no how, no abortion, but I can't because I do believe that there are circumstances where it may be acceptable.

I'm just curious what others feel about this. those that are firmly anti-abortion in any situation. You talk about innocent children being killed and you're right, they are innocent, but is the child who was raped and now finds herself pregnant not innocent? Does she deserve what is happening to her? like I said, there are other situations than just those women who are irresponsible and then choose to kill their unborn child because they screwed up and don't want a baby.



This was very well put I agree 100%!! Although I personally would never have an aboration I think it should be avaliable in these situations. I don't think it should be used as a form of birth control becasuse that is HORRIBLE!! With that said I am an 100% Obama supporter. The US needs a change and with a Republican in office that is not going to happen. Did we not learn anything from the last 8 years.

[-KrYsTaL-]

While Obama wasn't really my first choice.....I know I dont want McCain in office, and im not a big fan of Palin either. Way too conservative for me.

So.... Obama it is =) lol

[Kathy-PSPR]

Obama without a doubt...
I could not have said this any better.
I'm liberal all the way. I personally would never vote for somebody that thinks some people have more rights than others (as in the gay issue). I'm all about family and I do think the best set of morals/character you could give to a child is a combination of respect, caring and a deep sense of equality. Obama and Biden get my vote, no question.

[Laura M]

Isn't Colin Powell running? He's got my vote, LOL.

God I wish he were running!

[Joy Kuoha]

McCain/Palin!!!

[Deena]

I'd like to participate in the poll but my choice wasn't listed.

I explained in my first post why I did not include an other... honestly I had no idea there was a man named Bob Barr running... and I know nothing of him.

Could we please keep this post on topic, and start a new thread for the abortion debate!!

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

I'm not from the US, so my vote wouldn't count though.

What I would find a more interesting poll is ... 'what was your vote yesterday and what is it now', did you switch since McCain announced his VP candidate to be a woman. A woman who is smart and beautiful, but also sort of a tomboy (I read she loves hunting and fishing). A woman who appeals to a lot of people. I thought it a smart move on his part, since the US seems to have a need for a female in the top.

And if I could vote... Obama

My vote was Obama yesterday, and after researching Palin, it is more firmly Obama. I don't vote by color, gender or ethnicity- but by those whose stance on the issues most accurately reflect my own.

[scrapyardkath]

WOW! didn't see that coming. I thought we could be less hostile.

For those who can't play nice then I'll just say that pro-choice is not pro-murder it is choice. Being pro-choice is not pro- abortion.

I don't want any government state or federal, to decide if I continue a pregnant for whatever reason. I would never vote for anyone that had that view. Sorry I brought it up.

Other issues are important like the war, economy, climate, healthcare, etc, but philisopically, that is my number one isse, closely followed by gay rights.

I'll just leave it at that.


Reproductive rights, that's an interesting choice of words. The libs are always good at choosing their words carefully ;)
I come at the issue with a different angle than right to choose, or as some like to say "anti-choice", to which I respond "pro-murder". Some of us are more concerned about the destruction of innocent human life than the inconvenience it could bring to the mother. If you believe that a human before it comes out of the womb is indeed a human, there should be no argument to protect human life. If you don't believe it's a human, I still can't understand where any of us humans came from. It's not about a right to choose for me, it's about protecting the most innocent on this earth and respecting the constitution and founding principles of this wonderful country, which promises LIFE and liberty and justice for all. I like to consider the baby's rights as well. It's not part of the mother's body (ok it's in the mother's body, i'm probably not explaining that clearly enough but you get what i mean. separate DNA, etc.) or some blob of cells, it's a separate living human being and I think science is clear on this. But if it's ever proven that a human is indeed NOT a human in the womb, I'll change my mind.

Answering the question, I will be voting for McCain/Palin. If I wanted to live in a socialist nation I'd move to France. No offense to the lovely French folks, I'm just saying. No socialism for me please.

[Trina]

she is pro-life and anti same sex marriage.

Exactly why I'm voting Obama/Biden :agree

[rainbowkitty]

*bites my tongue on the gay marriage issue* Lets say McCain lost ANY chance of my vote by choosing this woman. If he thinks women are dumb enough to vote for her just because she's a woman, and we don't have Hillary for a choice I hope we prove him wrong. They are night and day opposites.

[bjwebster]

While Obama wasn't really my first choice.....I know I dont want McCain in office, and im not a big fan of Palin either. Way too conservative for me.

So.... Obama it is =) lol

My thoughts exactly. I really liked Bill Richardson! :shrug

[pagebypaige]

Sadly this democrat will be switching parties and voting for McCain... not crazy about him but better then the alternative.

[Glueless Media]

McCain/Palin

[rainbowkitty]

Leave well enough alone?? WRONG. It has to be a political issue until people like your brother can have the same benefits as me and my husband. Its far from being well enough. If your brothers partner lay dying who would his partner want to make his decisions? His mother or the man he loves? Who should get the house they have both lived in for thirty years. And oh yeah, dont forget in many states your brother can still be fired for no other reason than his sexuality.

[bellamoxie]

>> Originally Posted by opeysmama View Post

she is pro-life and anti same sex marriage.

Exactly why I'm voting Obama/Biden<<

Obama supports civil unions but not same sex marriages.

[derricksmom]

McCain/Palin

[jnoffsinger]

Obama....I don't feel like we can do four more years of the same.

[Deena]

I am requesting that we please stay on topic here... This thread is not to debate the issues, just to simply state who you would elect if you had to choose right now :)

If the debating continues, I will ask that this thread be locked...

Thank you!

[Scorpiosue1102]

I'm from Illinois and like what Obama did for the state when he was a state senator so my vote goes for Obama/Biden.

[pcisneros1]

Obama, Do you really want the same thing as the last 8 years? B/C that's what McCain promises.

[hellosunshine]

Obama/Biden

[frani_54]

McCain, although not my perfect choice, just the lesser of two evils.

[Mom2aTrio (JZDesigns)]

I have thought about my vote even more (as I anticipate I will continue to do) and my vote is an even more solid Obama. I do not feel comfortable knowing that McCain has had cancer 4 times...keeping in mind his age coupled with the fact that I do not want Palin to fall into the hands of running the country I vote Obama....plus I do nopt agree with anything mccain/palin bring to the table

[AKSheridan]

DEFINTELY Obama.

I'm really surprised by all the support for Palin, I thought for sure McCain was making a mistake by choosing her. She's so young and not very experienced...I'm very uncomforable with the idea of her running our country in the event that McCain cannot, which, let's face it, it's somewhat likely.

[KattyZak]

Another McCain vote.

[SusanMcG]

My vote will definitely go for McCain/Palin. I've already contacted the embassy here to make sure my vote will count!

I have to giggle at all the people saying "a vote for McCain is a vote for the same" - have you studied/researched/listened to anything that McCain stands for? Sure, he has many of the Republican, conservative issues on his platform, but he is SO FAR removed from anything to do with George Bush it's unreal. Did you pay attention when he was running against Bush for the Republican nomination before? There are vast differences in their thought process and style's. George Bush is a "good ole boy" who towed the line on the Republican agenda from the first day he began his run for President...John McCain is not now nor will ever be a "good ole boy" and is known as, for lack of a better word and heaven knows they've been spouting this off way to much in the media as if it's a bad thing - maverick. He has crossed party lines numerous times to do the thing he feels is right for the country. As for his choice of running mate, I say THANK GOD! A fresh face that hasn't been tainted by what Washington can do to you. She is young, conservative, family minded and I say, it's about time we have someone like that helping to guide our country. Her son is set to deploy any day now, she has a teenage daughter that is facing what millions of families face in our country every single day - she is real! As for the foreign policy - maybe she isn't the best or most qualified YET, but something tells me that Mrs. Palin is a quick learner and thinks on her feet. I like what she stands for and what she reperesents. I have never heard any rumbles about racist/politically incorrect speeches from her, unlike Obama's choice for VP. Senator Biden scares the poop out of me - no way would I want that man in the top office of the United States! I don't know how he gets anything out of his mouth, what with his foot/feet shoved in their all the time!

Sorry to be on the soap box - I'll step off in just a minute. All I can say is that I really wish people would do their own research on the candidates instead of listening to the very biased media's take. A lot of what I have read here (and I did read every single post) seems to sound like it was scripted straight from CNN, Fox News, etc. The most important thing you can do, no matter what country you live in (Canada may be voting again soon, too), it is your responsibility to do your own homework. Every news agency has it's own agenda and it's own "power player" they want to see in office, don't let them decide for you.

I watched Bob Barr on Glenn Beck the other night. I like him and what he has to say and have done some research on him in the last few days. He's an interesting choice that I wish more people knew about. The only reason I won't be putting my vote behind him, is because I know that he can't win. There aren't enough people ready to step out of party lines and vote for a Libertarian. Too bad! I have to vote where my one vote could possibly make a difference, and for me it's McCain/Palin.

Stepping off the soap box now and returning to scrapping as usual! :D

[Joedee]

:clap:clapVERY WELL SAID SUSAN!!!:yahoo:yahoo

I ,like any of you, want someone in office who believes as I do, for me that is McCain/Palin.

I am a pro-life, Christian, anti big government woman who wants to raise her children in a world of "work hard, receive reward". I want to live in a country where "a dollar spent was a dollar earned".

I want to pay for my health care privately and be able to decide what treatments and what coverages are important to me. I want to live in a world where ADOPTION is THE choice.

I want my First and Second Amendments protected because they are my rights as an American.

I want my children taught academic excellence in Reading, Writing and Arithmetic and I want things like evolution, sex education and "sensitivity activities" left to my family to decide.

I am not for gay marriage, as a federal issue, because I believe that NO MAN can say what is or is not accepted in the eyes of God. No matter how much we want that to be different, its not. I am for equal protection under the law and being the niece to two homosexual uncles taught me that there are way to do this that only require a lawyer and TWO tiny legal documents. (durable medical power of attorney and a will).

I do not want to pay more taxes for social programs.. I want to fix the ones we have and make them more efficient and effective.

I want a country that is at least partially self reliant for our energy needs. It would be FANTASTIC if the same people who complain about the price gas didn't do everything in their power to block all exploration of oil. While alternative fuel is a nice "idea" it has yet to be done in an affordable manner and made readily available. (Neither party has done this, both given ample opportunity). And those who taught alternative fuel aren't riding bikes to work everyday so we need the oil, whether we like it or not.

I don't want anyone sons, daughters, sisters, brothers, wifes or husbands sent of to war but I also live in reality where I know that sometimes people I love will have to fight to protect me and the very freedoms I hold so dear.

Being an American USED to be about opportunity, NOT providing everyone with an even playing field. I want to know why anyone believes that a handout not a hand up is a better idea. Handouts create a society reliant on socialistic ideologies. When immigrants came into America, at the beginning of this country, they were not given free aid and membership into social programs. hey were given an opportunity to make a better life for themselves. They worked HARD and scrapped to put food on the table. They didn't believe that they should be afforded every single opportunity simply because they were in America... now somewhere along the lines that has changed. Somewhere along the lines, America has become a buy more buy bigger society... people honestly believe that making ends meet means having cell phones and ipods, cable television and the internet, pedicures, manicures and getting their hair done... the day when someone is living is subsidized housing for $100 a month and is spending $200 on cable and internet.. well something is wrong with the program.. making it bigger or creating more of them isn't going to fix what is broken.

I want to be represented by an man of honor and dignity who has served in our armed forces. Who has sacrificed his life and has defended the lives of others. I believe that no man can effectively run for the office of President unless he has active military experience and truly knows what it is like to put others before self.

My vote is for McCain/Palin.. because they are the change *I* want to see in America and in American politics.

[Chreamps]

Yes, McCain has military experience, but does he fully support veterans? This article has links to his voting record (note, not all of them are working).

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559

[Mandy]

Susan and Joedee are my new best friends!
Voting for McCain.

[makabe]

Obama/Biden... no question for me.

[brechasemom]

Wow Joedee, I didn't want to quote the whole thing over but I completely agree with what you said and you said it so wonderfully. Thank you for putting my thoughts to words!!

[annyes59]

If I wanted to live in a socialist nation I'd move to France. No offense to the lovely French folks, I'm just saying. No socialism for me please.

:lol ok, I just cannot let you say this! :lol No offence, but France hasn't been governed by socialists for 13 years!!!!!
For the rest, well, just reading your thread. Very interested to know everyone's opinion on this election given that I was (lived) in the US when the last one happened.
Good choice to you!
and I would know whom I would vote for if I were American ;)

[Nicole Seitler]

Can't vote because I'm not voting for either party. ;)

[mich311e]

Obama for sure.

[mrsaboyer]

I don't think being pro-life takes away your right to keep your legs closed to start with. The only reason I have any second guess on overturning it is because it might possible affect rape or life or death situations. I don't even see this as a campaign issue with people wanting to make our country unstable and needing new energy options. I guess it's all in our personal priorities. I'd never get one so it's not even on my mind if they helps why I like him. We all have different thinking processes. :)
It's tough to keep your legs closed if somebody is forcing them open at gunpoint. Or if you are 13 and somebody in your family who is supposed to protect you is telling you to open them.

[mrsaboyer]

Oh I'm an Obama supporter in case you can't tell. I usually keep my mouth shut in these kind of matters, but I guess I got caught at a weak moment.

[mrsaboyer]

I'm just curious what others feel about this. those that are firmly anti-abortion in any situation.
I agree with you 100%. Your post was... everything I wish I had said.

[sunnie2004]

McCain for the simple fact I don't want Obama in the Presidents seat. Now mind you I dont want McCain either but he has got the be the lesser of the 2 evils

[ccouch]

'atta girl, Joedee :) Love everything you had to say!

[Barb Speck]

I'm undecided and for me it's trying to figure out who is the worst of two evils. I just heard Obama wants to help open up closed Ohio factories to making alternative energy like windmills etc. Who is going to fund this, train the workers to do this. It's a nice idea but nice ideas don't get things accomplished. I also don't want to have to pay even more in taxes when we are due to retire in about 7 years.

McCain wanted to give up the first day of the convention to help with aid to New Orleans, what the heck happened to those still living in Fema trailers from the last hurricane? Who is going to get down our massive debt. We were well on our way before this last administration and now we are billions in debt and what about your rights? They are getting pot shotted away little by little. I gave up smoking 6 years ago but laws have been passed that you can't smoke in any restaurant, government building or on any hospital grounds. I was always of the assumption that I could make a decision as to whether I wanted to smoke or not smoke as long as I wasn't bothering anyone else. Once they start taking one right away they can start taking lots of rights away. Are we not responsible to make our own choices. Whether it is pro-life or pro abortion, whether it is allowing same sex marriages or whether it is smoking out in public, one can believe in what they believe but I don't want people chosing what is right for me or what is right for my family!! I don't want government in my back pocket.

When punching my ticket those are the things I'm going to be thinking about in this election. Colin Powell?? If he was running I would vote for him in a heart beat. He was against the war in Iraq. He would have taken out Sadaam during the first Gulf war. Even 4 star Generals have bosses and unfortunately they don't want to listen to the Generals they employ!!

[Scrappylove]

McCain, I've never trusted Obama.

[mirranda]

Obama. I'm a registered republican, but I'm crossing party lines.

[Stacey Crossley]

McCain/Palin -- wow what an amazing night tonight!

[KirstyB]

McCain/Palin -- wow what an amazing night tonight!

That was some speech!! :)

[KellieP]

I am soooooo excited about Palin!!! She was incredible tonight!!!!!!!! I can't wait to cast my vote in November!

[Glueless Media]

I am soooooo excited about Palin!!! She was incredible tonight!!!!!!!! I can't wait to cast my vote in November!

I agree:):clap

[Sharia Braxton]

I missed this thread completely *duh* but i found it now.
I watched the RNC last night, and while I'm an obama/biden supporter, her speech impressed me...or rather left an impression on me is a better way of saying it. I appreciate some of the things she's done in the Governor's seat of Alaska (although the core stance on various issues is far from relective of my own) and so I remain as I was...

firmly for Obama/Biden ticket.

[chud23 (Catherine Designs)]

Very interesting thread to me as we just had a discussion with some French friends a few days ago and were just saying that the Obama - Biden ticket was sure to be a winner! I am thus this very surprised to see that it is the other way around in the digi community and very interesting to read the various reasons!
:lol ok, I just cannot let you say this! :lol No offence, but France hasn't been governed by socialists for 13 years!!!!!
For the rest, well, just reading your thread. Very interested to know everyone's opinion on this election given that I was (lived) in the US when the last one happened.
Good choice to you!
and I would know whom I would vote for if I were American ;)

LOL, i had to laugh when reading this, funny how people still think of France as a socialist country although i must say the last elections were almost half/half!

DEFINTELY Obama.

I'm really surprised by all the support for Palin, I thought for sure McCain was making a mistake by choosing her. She's so young and not very experienced...I'm very uncomforable with the idea of her running our country in the event that McCain cannot, which, let's face it, it's somewhat likely.

I thought exactly the same thing!

[Heather Manning]

I am soooooo excited about Palin!!! She was incredible tonight!!!!!!!! I can't wait to cast my vote in November!

Me too!!! She was awesome!!!!!!! :yahoo:yahoo:yahoo

[txmusicmom]

Please tell my ANYTHING that OBama has accomplished. I don't mean that rudely at all. There is a lot to like about him- he is a good speaker, has ideas..........but exactly , specifically what has he done in Congress? What legislation has he authored?

[kjbstevens]

The US is pretty much half and half Catherine almost on the dot. The difference is a good amount of time the people that will go and vote for a third party person and take away votes from what would have been a legitimate person but it's the right here to choose who you want. It's all on who shows up that day. I really think as far as population the US is pretty evenly divided which is what makes getting anything done half the time such a chore.

I also loved the speech. She was nervous at first, but I think she did a nice job.

[OrphanAnnie1016]

If I were to vote today I would vote for Obama.

I usually stay out of these threads cause of the simple fact of the drama that can come up for stating how you feel. Personally, I have never paid much attention to the elections or who was running. I have been able to vote since I turned 18 with my first Presidential election. Did I know who was running or what party I wanted to belong to? Nope. I was an Independent simply for the fact that I didn't know much about the parties. This election is the first time that I have ever been interested in politics and watching the candidates. I can say that it has been an eye opening experience to me.

I doubt I will vote because in reality I don't feel that my vote counts since it's the electoral college that seems to pick the president. I just hope that whoever is elected president will do something productive for the US and make change.

[nikkiARNGwife]

I thought (like most of America lol) that she did an AMAZING job last night...I enjoyed all the speeches last night actually. I love her. I love her. I love her! :) :)

I would like to add something I've observed this week with the hurricane and all. It seems to me that we saw from McCain what we should see from a future president in reaction to what Gustav could have been. He knew it was a risk to change plans for his convention but he did it anyway and even flew down here to MS to meet with Emergency officials. The quote I read from Obama which I don't have the exact quote but basically he was going to "stay out of the area until things settled down" but he could "activate a million email supporters to help with money and aid." How thoughtful of him huh? I'm sorry...I like a president who doesn't mind getting his hands dirty.

ETA: I'm not totally positive but I think while McCain was down south..obama had a campaign rally right? Hmmm....

[maggie965]

You know I think the mud throwing here is WAY worse than in the media! If you don't like a candidate then that's fine, it's your perogative. But the half truths and outright lies about both candidates and their VP choices really amaze me!!

[Scorpiosue1102]

I'm going to be totally bi-partisan and say that if something catastrophic did happen BOTH candidates would be in Louisiana. At least it wasn't like Katrina where President Bush was not even close to Louisiana. He was at Sen. McCain's birthday party.

Actually, Obama has introduced major legislation. He worked across the aisle with Republican senator Richard Lugar on a Nonproliferation law http://obama.senate.gov/press/070628-obama_lugar_sec/. He worked with Lugar again on the American Fuel Act to reduce our dependence on foreign fuel. http://obama.senate.gov/press/060317-obama_lugar_int/. Obama is on the Foreign Relations committee, Committee on Veteran's Affairs, Homeland Security and Government Affairs and Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

I think that these men are both good men. They love their families and want what's best for the country...even if it's different views.

I think Sarah Palin is a very good speaker and a tough cookie. I guess I didn't like the whole thing about digging Obama for his community work. Why are we dinging either for lack of experience? I guess in this country working your way through college, becoming the first black President of the Harvard Law Review and his eight years in the Illinois Senate mean nothing. Palin in turn is a governor and runs a state. Yes, it's only been less than two years, but why does that matter? Maybe it should. :shrug

I'll just say that I wouldn't want to be either one of them. They are inheriting a mess. The dollar sucks, our unemployment rate stinks (5% rise in July), our national debt is atrocious, people are losing their houses and so much more. Good luck to either man who becomes President; I think they are going to need it.

[Jill D-Zines]

I'm going to edit my post, just because I think I'd like to stay out of any "debates", but do have one comment -
Deena, I understand you'd like to keep certain issues out of the discussion, but those issues are completely relevant as to why certain people will choose to vote one way or another. To say that you'll request the thread be locked doesn't make any sense to me - people are staying "on topic".

[unica]

Couldn't have said it better Sue. I do hope Obama wins, I'm liberal and I agree with his views over McCain's ... however I do think it will be a tough job to preside over this mess. This is not something that either of the candidates will be able to "fix" in 4 years and whoever is on that chair will probably be "attacked" for not working fast enough. We, as a nation, like immediate result, even when that is not possible.

I'll just say that I wouldn't want to be either one of them. They are inheriting a mess. The dollar sucks, our unemployment rate stinks (5% rise in July), our national debt is atrocious, people are losing their houses and so much more. Good luck to either man who becomes President; I think they are going to need it.

[txmusicmom]

Actually, Obama has introduced major legislation. He worked across the aisle with Republican senator Richard Lugar on a Nonproliferation law http://obama.senate.gov/press/070628-obama_lugar_sec/. He worked with Lugar again on the American Fuel Act to reduce our dependence on foreign fuel. http://obama.senate.gov/press/060317-obama_lugar_int/. Obama is on the Foreign Relations committee, Committee on Veteran's Affairs, Homeland Security and Government Affairs and Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.


Thank you!

I think the reason Palin spoke about her experience is that the other side said she had none or very little- not prepared.

[~ashleigh]

Please tell my ANYTHING that OBama has accomplished. I don't mean that rudely at all. There is a lot to like about him- he is a good speaker, has ideas..........but exactly , specifically what has he done in Congress? What legislation has he authored?

I felt compelled to respond to this question. Here is a link to the Library of Congress (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery) which lists the 129 bills sponsored by Obama since coming to the Senate in 2004. Due to the nature of congress, some are still in committee, but I think this is proof enough to dispel the myth that Obama has done nothing while in Congress. Further more, here is an article looking at his time in the State Senate of Illinois. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html) FackCheck (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gop_convention_spin.html) also did some research on Liberman's & Thomson's speeches the night before last.

JMHO, but I find it ironic that for making the case for Palin's experience, the McCain campaign is undercutting the achievement and experience that all Senators have. Let's not forget that McCain just happens to be a Senator, too.

As far as Palin's speech, she did her job well. She has certainly got everyone talking. She is a good speaker, seemingly personable, and as the self described "pitbull with lipstick," she sure proved that she had no qualms about attacking (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h4Os_NvbBurz0R8IejrDDj-4sRlAD92VLMQ00) her opponents. I was hoping to hear more about her own opinions, specifically the war in Iraq, the war on terror, and the economy. Again, I look forward to watching the debates.

You may not agree with Obama's stance on the issues, but please don't buy into (and spread) the negative and false statements. Vote smart, do your research.

[~ashleigh]

I'm going to be totally bi-partisan and say that if something catastrophic did happen BOTH candidates would be in Louisiana. At least it wasn't like Katrina where President Bush was not even close to Louisiana. He was at Sen. McCain's birthday party.

Actually, Obama has introduced major legislation. He worked across the aisle with Republican senator Richard Lugar on a Nonproliferation law http://obama.senate.gov/press/070628-obama_lugar_sec/. He worked with Lugar again on the American Fuel Act to reduce our dependence on foreign fuel. http://obama.senate.gov/press/060317-obama_lugar_int/. Obama is on the Foreign Relations committee, Committee on Veteran's Affairs, Homeland Security and Government Affairs and Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

I think that these men are both good men. They love their families and want what's best for the country...even if it's different views.

I think Sarah Palin is a very good speaker and a tough cookie. I guess I didn't like the whole thing about digging Obama for his community work. Why are we dinging either for lack of experience? I guess in this country working your way through college, becoming the first black President of the Harvard Law Review and his eight years in the Illinois Senate mean nothing. Palin in turn is a governor and runs a state. Yes, it's only been less than two years, but why does that matter? Maybe it should. :shrug

I'll just say that I wouldn't want to be either one of them. They are inheriting a mess. The dollar sucks, our unemployment rate stinks (5% rise in July), our national debt is atrocious, people are losing their houses and so much more. Good luck to either man who becomes President; I think they are going to need it.

ITA, you made some great points.

[Deena]

I'm going to edit my post, just because I think I'd like to stay out of any "debates", but do have one comment -
Deena, I understand you'd like to keep certain issues out of the discussion, but those issues are completely relevant as to why certain people will choose to vote one way or another. To say that you'll request the thread be locked doesn't make any sense to me - people are staying "on topic".

The topic is about who you would vote for TODAY... It is not a place to debate abortion, and some people were getting very heated... If you wanted to debate the actual issue of abortion, it can be done in another thread. I am not saying you cannot express WHY you are voting for your said candidate, I am just saying I do not want debates on specific topics in this thread. They would get more response in their own threads, and people may be more likely to read them, and make their own decisions.

Quite frankly, the abortion debate will go on forever, most people have their own opinions on it, and a debate thread on a message board is not likely to change anyone's mind.

[maggie965]

I felt compelled to respond to this question. Here is a link to the Library of Congress (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery) which lists the 129 bills sponsored by Obama since coming to the Senate in 2004. Due to the nature of congress, some are still in committee, but I think this is proof enough to dispel the myth that Obama has done nothing while in Congress. Further more, here is an article looking at his time in the State Senate of Illinois. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010303303.html) FackCheck (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gop_convention_spin.html) also did some research on Liberman's & Thomson's speeches the night before last.

JMHO, but I find it ironic that for making the case for Palin's experience, the McCain campaign is undercutting the achievement and experience that all Senators have. Let's not forget that McCain just happens to be a Senator, too.

As far as Palin's speech, she did her job well. She has certainly got everyone talking. She is a good speaker, seemingly personable, and as the self described "pitbull with lipstick," she sure proved that she had no qualms about attacking (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h4Os_NvbBurz0R8IejrDDj-4sRlAD92VLMQ00) her opponents. I was hoping to hear more about her own opinions, specifically the war in Iraq, the war on terror, and the economy. Again, I look forward to watching the debates.

You may not agree with Obama's stance on the issues, but please don't buy into (and spread) the negative and false statements. Vote smart, do your research.


Thank you for stating this so much better than I did! :clap:clap

[mich311e]

Thank you for stating this so much better than I did! :clap:clap

Agreed!

[Sara Ellis]

I am scared of taxes being raised and raised with Obama... He has already stated that they would be raised......... and with all the money he is spending for the election (record amounts raised and spent, I believe)... it's a sure sign of him wanting to spend our money faster than he can get his hands on it

[Sara Ellis]

Very interesting thread to me as we just had a discussion with some French friends a few days ago and were just saying that the Obama - Biden ticket was sure to be a winner! I am thus this very surprised to see that it is the other way around in the digi community and very interesting to read the various reasons!


from my understanding, the majority of Europeans believe we should elect a democrat, whoever the person is, for any election ....... and usually believe that it should be an easy win

sooooooooooooooo not true with Americans as you can tell

[Sharia Braxton]

and with all the money he is spending for the election (record amounts raised and spent, I believe)... it's a sure sign of him wanting to spend our money faster than he can get his hands on it
He's raising money for his campaign...it's being raised to be spent. Why is that a sign that he wants to spend our money? Would it be better if he were running a campaing that was struggling to pay for campaign workers, mgmt, commercials, et al?

[Heather Manning]

from my understanding, the majority of Europeans believe we should elect a democrat, whoever the person is, for any election ....... and usually believe that it should be an easy win

sooooooooooooooo not true with Americans as you can tell

I have to agree with this statement. In my time since I've been able to vote, I have never heard someone from outside of this country, who wasn't American already, saying that a republican to win.

[Chreamps]

Sara Ellis stated:

I am scared of taxes being raised and raised with Obama... He has already stated that they would be raised......... and with all the money he is spending for the election (record amounts raised and spent, I believe)... it's a sure sign of him wanting to spend our money faster than he can get his hands on itPlease note Factcheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/more_tax_deceptions.html) regarding Obama's "tax increases". The majority of his increases are for the rich (but please read the full statement at Factcheck.org, not just this statement here). People need to realize that the ads (from both sides won't be complete upfront and honest - there is a lot of truth stretching.

ETA: Also, from factcheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/gop_convention_spin.html) from Republican Convention speeches:

"Thompson repeated misleading claims about Obama's tax program, saying it would bring "one of the largest tax increases in American history." But as increases go, Obama's package is hardly a history-maker. It would raise taxes for families with incomes above $250,000. Most people would see a cut."

Of course, any money the Republicans would raise (George Bush raised quite a bit when he ran for president both time - I believe record setting) are a sign of what?

Let's fact it, taxes are going to have to be raised somewhere because of the mess we are in.

[mama_pajama]

I am scared of taxes being raised and raised with Obama... He has already stated that they would be raised......... and with all the money he is spending for the election (record amounts raised and spent, I believe)... it's a sure sign of him wanting to spend our money faster than he can get his hands on it

“I will raise CEO taxes,” Obama told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer on “The Situation Room.”

“If you’re a CEO in this country you’ll probably pay more taxes,” Obama said. Obama speculated his CEO tax rates “won’t be prohibitively high, you’ll pay roughly what you did in the 90’s when they were doing fine.”

Obama also said he would eliminate the Bush tax cuts and install what he called a “middle class tax cut.”

Sorry, unless you're a CEO, I'd love to see links or quotes showing that Obama would raise your taxes. I've looked and looked, and all I see are tax hikes for the rich. I can live with that. :lol

[lunafaerie]

I am scared of taxes being raised and raised with Obama... He has already stated that they would be raised......... and with all the money he is spending for the election (record amounts raised and spent, I believe)... it's a sure sign of him wanting to spend our money faster than he can get his hands on it

Ummm, from all I understand, Obama wants to lower taxes for 95% of Americans.

I could go on and on, but I don't want to come off snarky or rude, not the place for it (ETA, I think maybe I did go on and on, LOL!)

But you better believe that this former Military Wife, Christian Woman, is going out and registering every 18 year old I can find to make sure that McCain and Palin stay far away from the white house, she did nothing but dig in her heals and create divisions last night and I for one have had ENOUGH of partisan politics. Lets come together and not make fun of people, belittle people, marginalize people. I didn't hear her say a single Christian thing last night. If I missed it, please point it out to me, I was listening closely. And I won't even get started on McCain.

[lunafaerie]

[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Sorry, unless you're a CEO, I'd love to see links or quotes showing that Obama would raise your taxes. I've looked and looked, and all I see are tax hikes for the rich. I can live with that. :lol

So can I.

[Chreamps]

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Very well said, Tania!

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[AngFab]

I think it's pretty far fetched to believe that any tax impact will *only* be on the wealthiest 1% or 5%. I thought the "plan" was to tax big business? Do you think Big Business will just say "Ho hum, we are making less profit"? Or do you think they will cut jobs, salaries and healthcare, and raise prices to offset the tax increase?

Not trying to be snarky here - it just doesn't sound like a fully thought out plan to me...(or maybe I'm just a pessimist, who doesn't trust ANY political candidate, lol)

[lunafaerie]

I think it's pretty far fetched to believe that any tax impact will *only* be on the wealthiest 1% or 5%. I thought the "plan" was to tax big business? Do you think Big Business will just say "Ho hum, we are making less profit"? Or do you think they will cut jobs, salaries and healthcare, and raise prices to offset the tax increase?

Not trying to be snarky here - it just doesn't sound like a fully thought out plan to me...(or maybe I'm just a pessimist, who doesn't trust ANY political candidate, lol)

Oh I'm sure that Big Business will react that way, but that isn't Obama's fault. I do my best not support business that treat their employees that way, I'm not perfect in that always, but I do try.

And when it comes to not well thought out plans, how do you pay for a war when you cut taxes across the board? I guess you borrow from China, a government that lets business treats their employees worse then ours.

I'm so fired up, I'm sorry if I come across really snarky, I really try to respect everyone's viewpoint, but I can't keep mine silent any longer.

[Scorpiosue1102]

Honestly, I think either Obama and McCain would have to raise taxes at some point. Our nations debt is close to $10 trillion ($10,000,000,000,000.00 whenever I see all the zeroes my chin drops). I have no clue how else they can do it. It's either that our programs will have to be cut.

[mich311e]

Ummm, from all I understand, Obama wants to lower taxes for 95% of Americans.

I could go on and on, but I don't want to come off snarky or rude, not the place for it (ETA, I think maybe I did go on and on, LOL!)

But you better believe that this former Military Wife, Christian Woman, is going out and registering every 18 year old I can find to make sure that McCain and Palin stay far away from the white house, she did nothing but dig in her heals and create divisions last night and I for one have had ENOUGH of partisan politics. Lets come together and not make fun of people, belittle people, marginalize people. I didn't hear her say a single Christian thing last night. If I missed it, please point it out to me, I was listening closely. And I won't even get started on McCain.


Very well put! :-)