S/O: Sarah Palin qualifications

[ccubed]

Please don't take this the wrong way. I truly want to figure out where people are coming from when they think Palin is a good fit experience-wise for the Republican ticket.

From what I understand, Sarah Palin has B.S. in communications/journalism. It took 5 different schools and several years for her to finally graduate with this degree and then she never pursued any advanced degree. When people started talking about Sarah's qualifications, I assumed that she had a degree in law or business or economics or political science/international studies. She has none of these and fail to see how at such a young age she became an "expert" in energy policy. To me being an expert simply does not mean that you are a governor of an energy rich state.

She was the mayor of a town of 5,000 people and from what I have read about the town, it does not sound like anyplace I would want to live (haphazard city planning, a big crystal meth problem, and taxes to build an NHL-size $15 million dollar sports complex while ignoring library needs). At any rate, the fire department and school district are handled by a bigger Alaskan regional government entity so she did not even deal with local education issues while she was mayor.

I also have to be skeptical about public administration and financial experience of governors/mayors in an energy rich state whose budgets are primarly financed by the royalties earned from natural resources. To me this indicates you are not having to make the toughest decisions when it comes to taxation and spending since you don't have huge worries about your city/town's revenues.

In addition, Palin is from a very isloated, remote area of the U.S. and had never spent any significant time abroad and had never spent time with any foreign diginitaries or heads of state. I, for one, find it difficult to see how someone who has come from such insular life in a remote state to relate to this big world and all its problems. I giggled this week and wondered if all the foreigners she cut her teeth on this week were a little perterbed at being asked to meet with her. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall.

These are just some the thoughts I have spinning in my head. If you are Sarah Palin supporter, I really would like to hear what you think makes her qualified for office. Talk to me like you are trying to convince me that she is qualified for the job. I am not looking for a debate and I promise I am not going to come back and argue or contradict you. I just really want to hear people's THOUGHTS on her qualifications. Color me confused!! :shrug

[NellieRose]

Thank you for asking this....

[ccubed]

Thank you for asking this....

:lol No problem. I am anxiously awaiting some insight. :)

[mama_pajama]

I'd like to add my own question. She's been governor for less than 2 years. How does this possibly qualify her to govern our nation? I'm intrigued by all of the people who claim that Obama is too inexperienced, but who are supportive of Palin. That makes no sense to me.

[strangejen]

well . . . she's pretty? that takes you pretty far in America. ;) oh, and she shoots guns. Republicans like that, right?

[lunafaerie]

Put me into the camp of wanting to understand also. I've been researching candidates since this election started and since she's so new to the national game, I really do want to know more about her.

I promise not to come back and argue either, I just want to know why Sarah being on the Republican ticket sold it for you.

[scrapyardkath]

And I'd like to add that as governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin has championed aerial gunning of wolves and bears. She even proposed paying a $150 bounty for the left foreleg of each dead wolf. Her eis a video about it.

https://secure.defenders.org/site/Donation2?idb=0&df_id=1547&1547.donation=form1&autologin=true&s_src=6JY08WDC4F&s_subsrc=6JY08WDC4F_EJI08D4d&JServSessionIdr001=3goegjqqz5.app24a

**Warning, it does show a wolf being killed. You can just go tot he site, the link is not directly the video.

[kjbstevens]

Teddy Roosevelt was only governer for like 2 years and was a young reformer Republican and don't think he did to bad. I don't care who he picked as long as it wasn't Lieberman. In 2 years she has had to make decisions that are on her own back as the main leader of her state instead of being one voice of many in the Senate that the other 3 in the race have had. There is an old Washington and new person on each ticket. I think they even each other out.

[BobbieB]

This I'm interested in knowing too.

In my House its rather split down the middle My MIL and BIL are for McCain while my fiance' is for Obama or rather he is for Biden. and I opt for the third option. None of the Above.

But their biggest arguement is what exp does Palin have since my MIL Swear's Obama has none.

They all 3 read the threads that get posted here that I point them too.

All I know is while I am not for Obama I am seriously against McCain and Palin.

[strangejen]

were the wolves terrorizing farm stock or coming down into town or something? Was there a REASON they needed killed?

Dang . . . the animals were on that land first, people . . . BUT growing up in Montana I do know that sometimes predators can be a problem or the deer population gets too high and they start coming into town . . . in that case, when I was in high school my town passed a temporary lift on the ban on bow hunting within city limits. :)

this ends my random tangent :)

[tcscrapper]

Oh, and please don't forget that she was the "head of the school's PTA"... *sarcasm* So was I, so does that mean I can be VP?

I don't think she is qualified AT ALL. Too many negative things about her. Her "Road to Nowhere" really bugs me. A town of 5,000 people? Sorry, not a NATION. My biggest fear is that McCain "kicks the bucket" and we have this woman with NO experience whatsoever leading our country.

And we think we're in trouble NOW...

[NellieRose]

Teddy Roosevelt was only governer for like 2 years and was a young reformer Republican and don't think he did to bad. I don't care who he picked as long as it wasn't Lieberman. In 2 years she has had to make decisions that are on her own back as the main leader of her state instead of being one voice of many in the Senate that the other 3 in the race have had. There is an old Washington and new person on each ticket. I think they even each other out.

This reply is a fine example of how the question of her "experience" has been answered time and time again. It's not enough to counter a question to Sarah Palin's experience, or anyone else's for that matter, with a comparison to Teddy Roosevelt and that he was a Governor for 2 years. There are no examples of what exactly she has done which is what I think leaves so many people with a bad taste and/or just asking the question over and over. We keep getting a comparison to who else has done what in comparison rather than what THIS candidate has done.

Hopefully my post doesn't come off as snarky or indignant beacuse it is not meant to be...nor, do I think it's your job to answer to the world for a presidential candidate! :)

My hope is to hear from the others here just why they are in support...what are the issues? Is it her position on Abortion? Is her position on Economics? What is it?

[saxon]

Well - I am in the Obama camp, but I will say that she is an EXCELLENT speaker, she seems to understand how to handle a crowd (based on what I've seen on TV) and I think she is able to bring a zest to the campaign that McCain lacked.

As for being qualified - well I think Bush is a TERRIBLE speaker, yet people seem to follow him readily - so at least she has that going for her. I also think she is passionate about what she believes in (not what I believe in, but she gets points for sticking to her principals)

[ccubed]

I will say that she is an EXCELLENT speaker, she seems to understand how to handle a crowd

I truly have a hard time getting past her voice and mannerisms when she is speaking but will try to reevaluate her speaking finesse next time she is on the air. I dare not even breath what I think of George's public speaking abilities. :)

[scrapyardkath]

I realy don't know and I too thought that is possible but it is still brutal and I wouldn't want that in my stare regardless of the original reasoning. It still smacks of *sport*. It's not her experience or lack of that concerns me. it is all the things that she believes in that I don't.


were the wolves terrorizing farm stock or coming down into town or something? Was there a REASON they needed killed?

Dang . . . the animals were on that land first, people . . . BUT growing up in Montana I do know that sometimes predators can be a problem or the deer population gets too high and they start coming into town . . . in that case, when I was in high school my town passed a temporary lift on the ban on bow hunting within city limits. :)

this ends my random tangent :)

[scrapyardkath]

ITA! Don't even get me started!

I truly have a hard time getting past her voice and mannerisms when she is speaking but will try to reevaluate her speaking finesse next time she is on the air. I dare not even breath what I think of George's public speaking abilities. :)

[Hollie]

At this point, I don't think anyone is truly "qualified" to be our next leader. I really don't envy whoever gets the job, either.

[mama_pajama]

Teddy Roosevelt was governor of New York, not Alaska. He also had experience in international affairs through his work as the Assistant Secretary of the Navy.

[saxon]

When you watch her speak, look at her delivery - her timing...how she poses behind podium or even when she is seated (something Obama could watch and learn from...the seated part) She really is practiced and accomplished at speaking to a crowd. She has spot-on timing and delivery....with wait-time included. I agree that her voice grates on me a little, but her public speaking skills are really very good.

[Sharia Braxton]

I'm guessing it takes a little more than good public speaking to govern.

[mama_pajama]

I'm guessing it takes a little more than good public speaking to govern.

Well, after seeing how many people voted for Bush because he was a guy they could see themselves having a drink with, I'm no longer surprised by what people base their votes on.

[saxon]

I agree, it should take more than a good public speaking ability, but when you think on it...in congress, the person who can most eloquently push their view forward generally gets the spotlight - same thing with any government office really - speaking is HIGH on the qualification list - because if they can't speak and get their message across, they are really at a disadvantage.

I am still solidly for Obama, but I can see that Ms. Palin has some excellent points on her side and for me, public speaking ability is probably her biggest strength, and it may well come down to who is the most charismatic speaker. Elections have been won and lost on mush less than that.

[Kim2002]

Technically, Section 1 of Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution states that a President must:
- be a natural born citizen of the united States
- be at least 35 years old
- have lived in the U.S. for at least 14 years

and the last paragraph of the twelfth amendment reads:
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Sooooo, a lot of people here in the U.S. would qualify for both jobs. Are they necessarily the best or the brightest or the most popular? Not always. But they seem willing to do the tough job that, personally, I would not want the responsiblity to do.

As to the OP's question:

Palin's Experience:
- Governor of Alaska.
- Served two terms on the Wasilla City Council.
- Served two terms as Mayor of Wasilla.
- She also served as Chair and Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Conservation Commission.
- She is a member of the NRA.

And to keep things balanced, here is info on the other players (all info pulled from their respective websites):

McCain's experience:
- Member of the U.S. House of Representatives in 1982 (served 2 terms).
- Member of the U.S. Senate in 1986.
- 22 year career as a naval aviator.

Obama's experience:
- He is a civil rights attorney.
- He is a U.S. Senator where he serves as a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee.

Joseph Biden's Experience:
- He is a U.S. Senator, serving since 1972. He is currently the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. He has previously served as Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and previously a co-chair of the NATO Observer Group.
- He is an attorney.


As well as Bob Barr's experience: (his site was very thorough LOL)
- He was an official with the CIA from 1971-78.
- He served as U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Georgia from 1986 to 1990
- He served as President of Southeastern Legal Foundation from 1990 to 1991.
- served in the House of Representatives from 1995 to 2003 where he was on the Judiciary Committee, Vice-Chairman of the Government Reform Committee, and a member of the Committee on Financial Services.
- From 2003-2008 he served as a member of American Conservative Union
- He is a member of The Constitution Project’s Initiative on Liberty and Security.
- He served from 2003 to 2005 as a member of a project at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University addressing matters of privacy and security.
- He's a member of the NRA.
- He is a lawyer.
- He runs a consulting firm.
- He is a regular CNN contributor.

[Hollie]

Thanks for posting this Kim. I appreciate you taking the time to do this:)

Technically, Section 1 of Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution states that a President must:
- be a natural born citizen of the united States
- be at least 35 years old
- have lived in the U.S. for at least 14 years

and the last paragraph of the twelfth amendment reads:
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Sooooo, a lot of people here in the U.S. would qualify for both jobs. Are they necessarily the best or the brightest or the most popular? Not always. But they seem willing to do the tough job that, personally, I would not want the responsiblity to do.

As to the OP's question:

Palin's Experience:
- Governor of Alaska.
- Served two terms on the Wasilla City Council.
- Served two terms as Mayor of Wasilla.
- She also served as Chair and Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Conservation Commission.
- She is a member of the NRA.

And to keep things balanced, here is info on the other players (all info pulled from their respective websites):

McCain's experience:
- Member of the U.S. House of Representatives in 1982 (served 2 terms).
- Member of the U.S. Senate in 1986.
- 22 year career as a naval aviator.

Obama's experience:
- He is a civil rights attorney.
- He is a U.S. Senator where he serves as a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee.

Joseph Biden's Experience:
- He is a U.S. Senator, serving since 1972. He is currently the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. He has previously served as Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and previously a co-chair of the NATO Observer Group.
- He is an attorney.


As well as Bob Barr's experience: (his site was very thorough LOL)
- He was an official with the CIA from 1971-78.
- He served as U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Georgia from 1986 to 1990
- He served as President of Southeastern Legal Foundation from 1990 to 1991.
- served in the House of Representatives from 1995 to 2003 where he was on the Judiciary Committee, Vice-Chairman of the Government Reform Committee, and a member of the Committee on Financial Services.
- From 2003-2008 he served as a member of American Conservative Union
- He is a member of The Constitution Project’s Initiative on Liberty and Security.
- He served from 2003 to 2005 as a member of a project at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University addressing matters of privacy and security.
- He's a member of the NRA.
- He is a lawyer.
- He runs a consulting firm.
- He is a regular CNN contributor.

[ms4kidz]

I'm pretty narrow minded, she's pro-life and obama isn't . . .

[scrapyardkath]

Me too, only the opposite way.

I'm pretty narrow minded, she's pro-life and obama isn't . . .

[Haley64]

And I'd like to add that as governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin has championed aerial gunning of wolves and bears. She even proposed paying a $150 bounty for the left foreleg of each dead wolf. Her eis a video about it.

https://secure.defenders.org/site/Donation2?idb=0&df_id=1547&1547.donation=form1&autologin=true&s_src=6JY08WDC4F&s_subsrc=6JY08WDC4F_EJI08D4d&JServSessionIdr001=3goegjqqz5.app24a

**Warning, it does show a wolf being killed. You can just go tot he site, the link is not directly the video.

I am not trying change your opinion or your view point, however I totally understand the need to cull packs. If you ever lived anywhere where the wolf population is running rampant (and it is), it gives a little better understanding as to why controlling the population of these animals is important to the rest of the animals.
The wolves were put on a protected list because their numbers were dwindling, they are no longer dwindling and they should not be on the endangered species/protected list anymore IMHO. Not when there are enough of them to be running through my front yard with my dog and kids outside.
Wolves are not the American Bald Eagle nor should it hold a place of importance like the eagle. If they ever open bounty on the Bald Eagle, I would have a serious issue with that. The wolf is no better and actually worse then the alligators in the south, just depends on where you live, if you believe this is a bad position politically for Sarah or not. LOL
Edited to add: It's not "sport" it's management just like it is with too many deer on the airport runway in our town, they hop the fence and know that the wolves can't get them in their.

[LindsayLou]

She is adamantly pro-life, even in cases of rape or incest. That's enought for me right there. I am not voting on EXPERIENCE, but rather the ISSUES and the candidates viewpoints.

[Kim2002]

I've seen some interviews with Sarah and she has clearly stated that her positions on abortion, religion, etc. are her PERSONAL opinions and she would never force her personal views on others. She seemed genuine and very believable.

[FrenchRuby]

Sounds great, but surely unrealistic? Either a politician acts in accordance with their personal views or they are a hypocrit, there is no middle ground. I am quite prepared to accept that she feels she wouldn't allow her personal beliefs to get in the way of good governance, but I do think that it's naive on her part to think there won't be instances in government when she will be required to make judgement calls that will bring her personal beliefs either into play or into conflict.

[Trixie Scraps]

I find it hard to reconcile those that attack her for the aerial hunting stuff, yet also knock her because of her pro-life beliefs.

Surely, the life of a wolf can't be more important than that of an unborn child? I'm not stating my own beliefs one way or the other, but I do feel it necessary to point out that it seems contradictory to support the choice for abortion, but then also be opposed to aerial hunting.

Killing is killing... no?

[lorig]

Since I am not an American and not able to vote in the election, I have not researched the candidates thoroughly. I did want throw in something that I have been wondering as I watch what will undoubtedly affect our country as well. Why when we complain that politicians are all buddy buddy with corporations and fat cats are we upset when someone from outside the normal circle of choices has a choice to have his or her views heard? Maybe the lack of experience in Washington is the breathe of fresh air that is needed. Maybe it is asking for trouble. The political staff quickly fills in the information needed where experience is lacking. I would expect that they have studied the issues and can present both sides in order for the decision makers to act I do not think the figure heads act on their own. maybe the new perspective will get the economy out of the troubles brought on by group think.

Just my 2 cents and now I will go back to lurking, watching and scrapping.

[Haley64]

Sounds great, but surely unrealistic? Either a politician acts in accordance with their personal views or they are a hypocrite, there is no middle ground. I am quite prepared to accept that she feels she wouldn't allow her personal beliefs to get in the way of good governance, but I do think that it's naive on her part to think there won't be instances in government when she will be required to make judgment calls that will bring her personal beliefs either into play or into conflict.

I think it could be called "tolerant". There are things around me (other people and kids) who I am tolerant towards. I definitely would never allow those same actions/deeds/manners in my own household with my own kids.
That doesn't make me a hypocrite....granted I am not going to have to pass or veto any bills/laws where my personal beliefs come into effect.

[Trixie Scraps]

I think Lorig makes a good point....

We've been trained for the past 8 years to expect a president to make wild decisions, out there on a limb, all by himself because that's what we've seen. In reality, there are so many people behind the scenes, trying to advise, counsel, persuade, you name it.....

I hope and pray that our country gets a new president who will truly listen to his advisors and will not act like a crazy person on a power rush.... whether that is McCain or Obama, I still don't know. But, I think the one thing most of us can agree on is THANK GOD GW can't run again.....

[NellieRose]

As stated by many in another political thread this week, many "Pro-Choice" people are not "pro-abortion"...they are "Pro-A Woman's Right To Choose" not "pro-killing".

I personally do not hunt, nor would I ever, it goes against my grain & is something I do not for the life of me understand. Even so, I don't have an issue with anyone else hunting provided it's a level playing field for the animal and hunter meaning the hunt is not "canned" and the animal is not being chased down by a helicopter or plane...that is downright cruel. I don't see the sport in killing an animal just to hang it on the wall and I don't understand why anyone would want to kill an animal to eat it if you have the ability to buy food...this is not the day of Clan Of The Cave Bear where hunting was a necessity for food and "clothing".

Now, if a person takes the position of being "pro-life" I guess that only applies to humans and no other creatures gracing this earth? A human life is more valuable than any other? Seems ironic.

[LindsaysMom]

I'd like to add my own question. She's been governor for less than 2 years. How does this possibly qualify her to govern our nation? I'm intrigued by all of the people who claim that Obama is too inexperienced, but who are supportive of Palin. That makes no sense to me.

I don't get why people compare Palin to Obama. Palin is not running for prez but Obama is. If you want to compare apples to apples lets start comparing Obama's experience to that of McCain. Makes much more sense to me.

[DawnMarch]

But, I think the one thing most of us can agree on is THANK GOD GW can't run again.....

Amen, sister.

[NellieRose]

I don't get why people compare Palin to Obama. Palin is not running for prez but Obama is. If you want to compare apples to apples lets start comparing Obama's experience to that of McCain. Makes much more sense to me.

No, she is not running for President but very well could be the President come Jaunary.

I think it's fair to question and consider it just as fair to question the same of Biden.

[LindsaysMom]

I don't think she is qualified AT ALL. Too many negative things about her. Her "Road to Nowhere" really bugs me. A town of 5,000 people? Sorry, not a NATION.



Obama and Bieden both voted for the road/bridge project. I don't see you bitching about them.
When we are talking about Indian tribes, a town of 5,000 is considered a nation.

[SarahMD]

Is it sad that even after reading threads among threads of the candidates where the glorious people of the scrapping world bring up so many different and valid points - I STILL have no idea who I'm going to vote for... for me it is the issues... my issues. Issues that are important to me. I just want my family to be financially stable, have unemployment rates decrease and health coverage be what it used to be!

I'm just lost and am playing with the idea of not voting because I don't feel my vote would come from knowledgeble opinions/decision.

Anyone know how I can get more involved in this? I'm just lost!

[LindsaysMom]

No, she is not running for President but very well could be the President come Jaunary.

I think it's fair to question and consider it just as fair to question the same of Biden.


Since McCain is still alive and doing well, I will stick with my Obama/McCain comparision. I am not putting a healthy man into the grave because it is convenient for an argument.

[SarahMD]

Obama and Bieden both voted for the road/bridge project. I don't see you bitching about them.
When we are talking about Indian tribes, a town of 5,000 is considered a nation.

But are we talking about Indian Tribes? Or a nation of millions? Or is it billions now? I think a comparison of team vs. team is what would be fair. They are pretty much taking the position as a team because you know the VP will always back what the Prez has decided.

[lunafaerie]

Now, if a person takes the position of being "pro-life" I guess that only applies to humans and no other creatures gracing this earth? A human life is more valuable than any other? Seems ironic.


ITA with what your point is here.

I'd also like to add that I don't understand how people can be Pro-Life and support candidates that believe the Iraq War is justified, it's no secret that Iraq didn't attack us, it's no secret that there are no WMDs in Iraq, yet many Pro-Life people, who only vote on the pro-life position, are willing to go along with the Bush administration and now maybe McCain administration where preemptive war is justifiable?

I'm not anti-military and I'm not anti-war, I'm actually a former Navy wife to a husband who's father is an Admiral, I just don't see how you can be Pro-Life and support preemptive war.

[LindsaysMom]

But are we talking about Indian Tribes? Or a nation of millions? Or is it billions now? I think a comparison of team vs. team is what would be fair. They are pretty much taking the position as a team because you know the VP will always back what the Prez has decided.


I'm not sure what you are getting at. Are you questioning Palin's role in the bridge project or the pro-project vote by Obama and Biden?

[lunafaerie]

Obama and Bieden both voted for the road/bridge project. I don't see you bitching about them.
When we are talking about Indian tribes, a town of 5,000 is considered a nation.

Yeah, but Obama and Biden don't go around saying that they "Killed the Bridge To Nowhere". She does, all the time. She didn't kill it. Congress did. It doesn't matter to me if Obama and Biden supported it, what I care about is what she said, that has been contradicted time and time again.

I find it funny that building roads and bridges in this country has turned into something that is BAD. Our country would not function without bridges and roads. I don't know if it was an extravagant expense or not, I don't know the details, again all I care about is that she said she Killed it and she didn't.

[lunafaerie]

Is it sad that even after reading threads among threads of the candidates where the glorious people of the scrapping world bring up so many different and valid points - I STILL have no idea who I'm going to vote for... for me it is the issues... my issues. Issues that are important to me. I just want my family to be financially stable, have unemployment rates decrease and health coverage be what it used to be!

I'm just lost and am playing with the idea of not voting because I don't feel my vote would come from knowledgeble opinions/decision.

Anyone know how I can get more involved in this? I'm just lost!

Oh don't get jaded, what I think is happening in this country is really good! While this is all very overwhelming, believe me if you read my blog you know I collapsed on 9-11 and felt like I couldn't take any more politics, but then I read something that made me realize that while this all might be alot to take in, it's SO important that we continue to have these discussions. Nothing in this country has been solved by people waiting to see what will happen. We have got to continue our discussions.

I posted this the other day, but I would suggest you read what Obama and McCain's positions are on their website. I do think they've both stated their positions quite well. Turn off Fox, turn off MSNBC, turn off CNN even, they are all getting too sensationalized. Listen to NPR, watch CSPAN for the debates (I watched the conventions on CSPAN and I didn't have to listen to ANY commentary, very enlightening!)

[Florida Cindy]

Well, she knows the government watches Russia from Alaska........(Interview with Katie Couric)

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

No, she is not running for President but very well could be the President come Jaunary.

I think it's fair to question and consider it just as fair to question the same of Biden.

I think there may not BE as many questions/objections/doubts about Biden in that role; thus the dearth of probing questions ;)

[Florida Cindy]

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[mama_pajama]

No, she is not running for President but very well could be the President come Jaunary.

I think it's fair to question and consider it just as fair to question the same of Biden.

What she said. ;)

We've seen plenty of occasions throughout our history where the VP has ended up as the pres. I want my vote to cover that possibility.

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

What she said. ;)

We've seen plenty of occasions throughout our history where the VP has ended up as the pres. I want my vote to cover that possibility.

Exactamundo. And I'd sleep a lot easier with a President Biden than a President Palin. What WAS her point with the Wall Street buyout serving to help the HEALTHCARE crisis anyway? (Katie Couric interview)

[LindsaysMom]

We've seen plenty of occasions throughout our history where the VP has ended up as the pres. I want my vote to cover that possibility.

Only four vice presidents became president as the result of the natural death of the president. That's pretty slim. I stand by my point that I rather concentrate on the living and I will continue to compare apples to apples, i.e. prez. candidate vs. prez candidate.

[Trixie Scraps]

As stated by many in another political thread this week, many "Pro-Choice" people are not "pro-abortion"...they are "Pro-A Woman's Right To Choose" not "pro-killing".

I personally do not hunt, nor would I ever, it goes against my grain & is something I do not for the life of me understand. Even so, I don't have an issue with anyone else hunting provided it's a level playing field for the animal and hunter meaning the hunt is not "canned" and the animal is not being chased down by a helicopter or plane...that is downright cruel. I don't see the sport in killing an animal just to hang it on the wall and I don't understand why anyone would want to kill an animal to eat it if you have the ability to buy food...this is not the day of Clan Of The Cave Bear where hunting was a necessity for food and "clothing".

Now, if a person takes the position of being "pro-life" I guess that only applies to humans and no other creatures gracing this earth? A human life is more valuable than any other? Seems ironic.

For the record, I didn't take one position or the other... I was simply pointing out that I find it contradictory for people to be so upset about the hunting thing, and at the same time, espouse the right to take a human life (pro-choice).

If you want to know what I personally believe... all life is sacred. I don't agree with hunting, anymore than I agree with abortion.
But, I do believe that if you want a woman to have the right to abort a human life, then you also must ascribe to a human's right to hunt. I definitely don't believe that wild animals should be given more compassion and "rights" than a human should!

[LindsayLou]

Killing is killing... no?

In a word, no. I am anti-abortion and pro hunting. Even bibically it is a-ok to hunt game, but not murder a child....born or not.

[mama_pajama]

Only four vice presidents became president as the result of the natural death of the president. That's pretty slim. I stand by my point that I rather concentrate on the living and I will continue to compare apples to apples, i.e. prez. candidate vs. prez candidate.

Yeah, natural death, but a lot can happen in 4 years.

That's why our democracy is so great, you can base your vote on whatever you want, and so can I. :p

[Trixie Scraps]

ITA with what your point is here.

I'd also like to add that I don't understand how people can be Pro-Life and support candidates that believe the Iraq War is justified.....

I'm not anti-military and I'm not anti-war, I'm actually a former Navy wife to a husband who's father is an Admiral, I just don't see how you can be Pro-Life and support preemptive war.

That is stated as if its a foregone conclusion that all pro-life believers ALSO support the war in Iraq. The conclusion is just not so, nor should it be automatic.

I, personally, consider myself to be pro-life, yet also abhor the War in Iraq and think it was the dumbest thing GW did.... and, it may go down as one of the top five stupidest political moves in history.

You can agree with a candidate/politican on one point and disagree with him/her WHOLEHEARTEDLY on many others. That's why I don't think I can vote for Obama......

[LindsayLou]

Also (though not entirely on topic) there is a difference between supporting war in general and finishing what was started. Do I think that this war was justified? Not really. However, the fact of the matter is that this country IS in the middle of a war and to just up and leave now would have to be one of the stupidest moves any military leader would do.

[kjbstevens]

Lifestyle has a huge, huge part in the debate for Palin. I'm from a small town. I think a lot of it is because the democrats are only voting it for Obama and not Biden while Republicans still wanted a little more from their ticket in a VP. I'm from only a few miles away from his home state so we get a lot of DE news here with him. If you want someone who can talk, that man can do it. If he doesn't know an answer he'll keep talking until everyone forgets what the question was. The VP debate is going to be much more entertaining than the Presidental one. Palin is still semi a mystery and everyone knows Biden likes to talk so who knows what is going to happen there.

I am very pro-hunting so none of that stuff bothers me because I do understand game management. Anything we shoot we eat. We are also a farmers. For every one predator that gets in your animals you are losing all of the feed, water, cost of animals and and it comes out of your income. Not keeping predators in check puts you on the bad side of anyone that relies on animals for a living and I am not a fan of having leaders that don't understand how to maintain proper regulations on it. There are legitimate reasons that predator populations have to be kept in check. This year in Maryland you are allowed to bow hunt in your yard in surburban limits because the deer are just that bad and we have a Democrats running the state so it is not just a Republican issue. There are proper ways to have hunts and preserve wildlife and very few hunters are out there shooting everything that moves and just slaughtering animals for fun. Many people use it for winter meat.

I guess it's all in lifestyle as to the priorities of what you think is qualifications. I'm not a city person so many of these urban plans and programs Obama talks about that sparks his followers don't attract me because they don't do anything for me. Maryland already has universal medical coverage for families making under $40k a year so none of his talk on that is appealing either because we already have it. I just want to finish up what we've already gotten ourselves into and focus on getting the citizens self sufficent again. I'd really like to see wars resolved and getting people off government assistance and into jobs. I'd really love to get to put my own social security money up too because one day I want to retire and it doesn't look promising the way it is. That is my long term plan and reason I vote the way I do, not because I hate wolves. ;)

[nlbremer]

I personally believe that being the governor of a state gleans much more experience than being a senator. We all know how many times Obama has simply voted present on issues. I'm sorry but that doesn't equate to experience for me. Being senator is more visible and I realize that they do decide things, but he hasn't been in the senate that long. Also--community organizer--what is that exactly, and how does that make him qualiafied?

Second, I get really tired of the "she's a heartbeat away from the presidency" argument. Is that not true of every single candidate ever?! McCain has been on the campaign trail for almost 2 years now. He's kept a very busy schedule day in and day out. I think he's managed just fine. If health were an issue, he would have had to quit. I realize that he is older than what we are used to, but Biden's no spring chicken either! To top that off, Obama's family has a history of early death and he smokes, so his death is as imminent as McCain's is.

Third, I agree that I am voting more on issues than experience. I don't think Palin or Obama is that qualified, but since Obama is the presidential ticket, I feel that is *far* more significant.

Fourth, I feel that military experience is huge. McCain having been a POW doesn't enter the equation for me on this. Obama doesn't understand the military tactics, strategy or command. If he had military experience, I would feel differently. Palin doesn't have military experience, but with her son being active military, at least she understands a little more than Obama does.

Fifth, Obama and Biden get their facts twisted frequently. How many states are there in the U.S., Obama?? Biden, who was president during the depression? And they addressed us on TV in 1929? I don't think so. TV wasn't invented for a long while after the 1930's there big guy. Those are only a couple of examples of how they have made asses of themselves. If McCain is so old, you'd think his memory would be failing him and that he would have forgotten who the president was when the stock market's crashed!! It concerns me that their knowledge of even fairly recent history is very poor!

Gosh I think I'll stop there.

There are good points on Obama's side, I will admit, but side by side for me it just doesn't add up.

[nlbremer]

Oh, and I think she has balls for having a Down's baby in a world who discards them like trash. I respect her immensely for that. I respect anyone who follows their beliefs and doesn't back down when it gets hard or when it's easy for them, regardless of how I personally feel on that particular issue.

[mama_pajama]

That's where you're wrong, my vote is for Obama/Biden, not just Obama. I like that whole ticket more than I like the alternative ticket.

[WenRob]

IMO you need to scrutinize the VP candidates just as much you would the presidential candidates. They are not just there for show. It doesn't matter if we think it could happen or not. They have a very real chance of being the President, like it or not. It would be hugely irresponsible of us all not to know everything we can about them.

I'm very curious to know the answers to the questions in the OP.

[mama_pajama]

Fourth, I feel that military experience is huge. McCain having been a POW doesn't enter the equation for me on this. Obama doesn't understand the military tactics, strategy or command. If he had military experience, I would feel differently. Palin doesn't have military experience, but with her son being active military, at least she understands a little more than Obama does.

There are times in history that call for a strong military leader, and there are times that call for diplomatic solutions. We are in a time right now when we desperately need diplomatic solutions, not military tactics, strategy, or command.

[tcscrapper]

Obama and Bieden both voted for the road/bridge project. I don't see you bitching about them.
When we are talking about Indian tribes, a town of 5,000 is considered a nation.


Okay.... now she was a leader of a Native American tribe??? Please don't bring Native American tribes up as a nation to a woman who is married to a man who is part Native American.

And please use the proper term. Not Indian... Native American.

And it's Biden, not Bieden.

And I have the right under the freedoms to bitch about whatever I want. Maybe you should search about that, too.

Thanks, and have a great day.

[tcscrapper]

Well, she knows the government watches Russia from Alaska........(Interview with Katie Couric)

Kinda like how Al Gore invented the internet and the joke about how McCain invented the Blackberry!!!!

[nlbremer]

There are times in history that call for a strong military leader, and there are times that call for diplomatic solutions. We are in a time right now when we desperately need diplomatic solutions, not military tactics, strategy, or command.

That is your opinion, and I respect it; however, I disagree. Military tactics, strategy and command are just as important in times of "peace" or non-war times. With the volatile nations and issues before us, I feel that having this military knowledge is vital. Iran, Russia, North Korea...each of those situations is delicate and our military leaders can negotiate and strategize each of them to help navigate the appropriate course. That doesn't mean we have military invasion!!

Military does not equal war.

[mama_pajama]

That is your opinion, and I respect it; however, I disagree. Military tactics, strategy and command are just as important in times of "peace" or non-war times. With the volatile nations and issues before us, I feel that having this military knowledge is vital. Iran, Russia, North Korea...each of those situations is delicate and our military leaders can negotiate and strategize each of them to help navigate the appropriate course. That doesn't mean we have military invasion!!

Military does not equal war.

The president has advisors to help with strategy, tactics, and command. But when it comes to diplomacy, he's often meeting face-to-face with other world leaders.

[nlbremer]

The president has advisors to help with strategy, tactics, and command. But when it comes to diplomacy, he's often meeting face-to-face with other world leaders.

I'm sorry...your point? You honestly think Obama is more qualified to have face-to-face interaction with world leaders? I don't think so...

It is telling that the world's dictators and tyrants favor Obama for the Presidency: They see him as a weaker opponent. McCain has had a much larger presence in foreign affairs. Obama just went to Iraq for the first time in several years and was more concerned with addressing the Germans than our own troops! I'm not saying McCain is perfect here, but with foreign affairs-whether diplomacy or military strategy-my money is on McCain.

[nlbremer]

The president has advisors to help with strategy, tactics, and command. But when it comes to diplomacy, he's often meeting face-to-face with other world leaders.

Oh, and if this is so true, why do we care what Palin's experience is so much?

[NellieRose]

Since McCain is still alive and doing well, I will stick with my Obama/McCain comparision. I am not putting a healthy man into the grave because it is convenient for an argument.

It's not for sake of argument as the same holds true to the Obama/Biden ticket....Joe Biden could very well be the next President of the United States.

My statements have nothing to do with the age of John McCain...just last week a 41 year old friend was killed in a car accident on her way to work - I am coming from the mindset that nobody on this earth knows how much time they have left regardless of their age and/or health.

[mama_pajama]

Oh, and if this is so true, why do we care what Palin's experience is so much?

huh?

FWIW, I do think Obama is the better man when it comes to diplomacy. I also think world dictators and tyrants favor Obama because they'd like someone rational who is willing to work out solutions rather than invade, invade, invade.

[NellieRose]

But, I do believe that if you want a woman to have the right to abort a human life, then you also must ascribe to a human's right to hunt. I definitely don't believe that wild animals should be given more compassion and "rights" than a human should!

I do believe in a woman's right to chose as well as a person's right or choice to hunt although I would not hunt myself. I believe in a system where we can chose to control what happens with our own bodies and we can chose to hunt or not.

As for my position on wild animals or otherwise...well, I have compassion for all living things and believe that all creatures on this planet should be treated with compassion and respect. I don't consider myself superior to any other life form.

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."

[chengie]

Teddy Roosevelt was only governer for like 2 years and was a young reformer Republican and don't think he did to bad. I don't care who he picked as long as it wasn't Lieberman. In 2 years she has had to make decisions that are on her own back as the main leader of her state instead of being one voice of many in the Senate that the other 3 in the race have had. There is an old Washington and new person on each ticket. I think they even each other out.

Sorry, but wasn't that a president from 100 years ago? We live in a very different world now.

Just asking...I'm non-US and am trying to understand the US.

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

Lifestyle has a huge, huge part in the debate for Palin. I'm from a small town. I think a lot of it is because the democrats are only voting it for Obama and not Biden


Just wanted to say- I've wanted Biden as Prez since 88- so he is actually the icing on the cake for me ;)

[strangejen]

an answer to why people hunt when you can buy food at the store: because they don't sell deer meat at the store, and that stuff is tasty. :D

sorry. showing my Montana roots.

but yes, agreeing with kjbstevens as far as animal population management -- the deer would get over-populated and end up dying anyway. Might as well fill your freezer with a good substitute to cow meat.

I AM still curious about the specific circumstances for why Palin killed wolves from a plane . . . if it was to protect livestock or neighborhoods, good. If it was for fun . . . not so good.

[AKSheridan]

:lol No problem. I am anxiously awaiting some insight. :)

Still waiting....after 8 pages :lol

[Haley64]

an answer to why people hunt when you can buy food at the store: because they don't sell deer meat at the store, and that stuff is tasty. :D

sorry. showing my Montana roots.

but yes, agreeing with kjbstevens as far as animal population management -- the deer would get over-populated and end up dying anyway. Might as well fill your freezer with a good substitute to cow meat.

I AM still curious about the specific circumstances for why Palin killed wolves from a plane . . . if it was to protect livestock or neighborhoods, good. If it was for fun . . . not so good.

MN breed and raised on venison, very tasty and hunting and fishing is a way of life around here as is growing huge gardens, social gatherings and knowing all your neighbors for miles around!

Palin didn't personally shoot the wolf, it is a video clip of a older video that I have seen many times before and used in PETA's films and apparently this organization Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund.
I am not defending the action of shooting animals out of airplanes, I know it was also done around here for the wolves attacking livestock. I would rather a gunshot then a trap! But I don't think that this particular topic has any merit towards Palin's qualifications or lack of them.

I honestly was more put off from the fact that MacCain bold face lied to Dave Letterman about why he couldn't be on The Late Show last night.
If MacCain can lie about such a little thing and totally make up a false reason for doing so, to a late night talk show host. What else is he going to lie about so easily?????????

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/09/25/letterman-skewers-mccain-for-canceling-late-show-visit/

And no I haven't made up my mind about who I am voting for as I don't care for either parties right now.

[NellieRose]

Still waiting....after 8 pages :lol

{{Amy}}!!!

I wouldn't be surprised if it went another 8. :giggle

[Lynn G]

I do have to say, there is a lot of head scratching and a far bit of concern being expressed in the media in other countries (eg here in NZ and in England) about the prospect of her taking over should McCain be elected and then pass away or become ill (and let's face, he is amazing for his age but no spring chicken) :-0

I have to say though, I have NEVER seen such interest in a US election before. It's fascinating stuff :-)

[nlbremer]

huh?

FWIW, I do think Obama is the better man when it comes to diplomacy. I also think world dictators and tyrants favor Obama because they'd like someone rational who is willing to work out solutions rather than invade, invade, invade.

That is laughable and imo very naive. Dictators and tyrants DO NOT work out solutions! They do whatever they want!! I'm not trying to be disrespectful but that world view is too narrow in that particular discussion. Rational and dictator are oxymorons! If they were reasonable people, we'd have sat down and had tea with them and "worked out solutions" already. They are dangerous and not trustworthy.

For the record McCain isn't Mr. invade, invade, invade. But he was right about the surge, and I think Dem's can't give that to him. You say that you think Obama is the better man when it comes to diplomacy, but you don't give any reasons why. Perhaps because of a thin resume and lack of proof?

[nlbremer]

I wouldn't be surprised if it went another 8.

I gave my reasons, but I don't see Obama's experience proving he's ready for presidency. NOT vice presidency, presidency. Oh, and he's a "junior" senator. Hardly an iron clad reason.

[mama_pajama]

That is laughable and imo very naive. Dictators and tyrants DO NOT work out solutions! They do whatever they want!! I'm not trying to be disrespectful but that world view is too narrow in that particular discussion. Rational and dictator are oxymorons! If they were reasonable people, we'd have sat down and had tea with them and "worked out solutions" already. They are dangerous and not trustworthy.

For the record McCain isn't Mr. invade, invade, invade. But he was right about the surge, and I think Dem's can't give that to him. You say that you think Obama is the better man when it comes to diplomacy, but you don't give any reasons why. Perhaps because of a thin resume and lack of proof?

I've tried talking sense with paranoid people who have 'us versus them' world views before, and it's honestly not worth my time. Have fun in your bunker.

[nlbremer]

I've tried talking sense with paranoid people who have 'us versus them' world views before, and it's honestly not worth my time. Have fun in your bunker.

LOL, nice one. When you don't have a valid response you run and hide. Niiiice. I'm simply trying to debate. I was trying to keep it nice and then you just sling the insults because it's easier than proving what you have claimed. I'm not paranoid thankyouverymuch.

[WenRob]

Is anyone going to address the OP? Anyone?????

Seriously, I'm interested.....

[saxon]

I addressed the OP.

[nlbremer]

Thought I did, too.

[WenRob]

Yes, you did ladies, my apologies. It just feels like this thread is going in circles as to why others are or aren't qualified not what qualifies her. I'm pretty much decided on who I'm voting for and why but I'm genuinely open to hearing why she'd make a good leader.

[danger girl]

As stated by many in another political thread this week, many "Pro-Choice" people are not "pro-abortion"...they are "Pro-A Woman's Right To Choose" not "pro-killing".



I agree. I'm pro-government-staying-out-of-my-womb.

[vegaschristina]

I agree. I'm pro-government-staying-out-of-my-womb.

OMG someone else who gets it! :clap

[danger girl]

well . . . she's pretty? that takes you pretty far in America. ;) oh, and she shoots guns. Republicans like that, right?


LMAO!! This is hilarious.

I won't be voting Republican, but it has nothing to do with Palin's perceived lack of experience. I don't believe you have to be 70 years old with 50 years of political/judicial experience to be an effective leader. Palin is qualified in that she meets the constitutional qualifications. She may be inexperienced, but that doesn't necessarily mean she is ineffective or bad. Some of the best leaders in US history were farmers with little or no political experience.

[tcscrapper]

I agree. I'm pro-government-staying-out-of-my-womb.

COMPLETELY AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :yahoo

[hellosunshine]

I know the original question was about Palin as a possible president, but what about her as vice-president? I don't see her as being qualified even for that. Vice-Presidents have been given a much larger role in the past few decades than just presiding over the senate and voting in case of a tie. Look at Bush/Cheney. Many people would agree that Cheney had more say in our going to war with Iraq and in running this country than Bush. People will vote for Palin because of her religion, her hunting skills, her five kids, her proximity to Russia, the fact that Alaska provides 3.5% of the U.S. energy, or whatever reason, but none of these issues or experiences are going to be part of her job. --She isn't a Supreme Court Justice, so she can't vote on the abortion issue; it would be a long shot that she would appoint someone to the Supreme Court--Congress does have to approve that, too. I am just disappointed that people cannot get real and understand what is important and not important in this election. I hear people say that they will vote for her because she is a hunter--good grief, what does that have to do with anything? Gun ownership is already protected by the constitution.

Palin comes off as a good speaker to some because she has given the exact same speech everyday for the past month. So, she's had some practice on it. If she is qualified and such a good speaker, why does she have to be so protected from the press? Like it or not, the press are about the only people that have access and can ask questions of the candidates. She hasn't yet given an open press conference. Is this an indication that the McCain Presidency would be a secret, closed type Presidency? He seldom takes questions anymore either.

I respect people's different beliefs, but I don't understand why some have such a narrow view or low expectations when it comes to qualifications for choosing one of the most powerful persons in the world for office.

Finally, for those who dismiss the importance of U.S. Senators as compared to Governors for a national office, in the succession of the Presidency, the President pro tempore of the Senate is 3rd in line. Can't imagine why that would be if their experience is so unimportant. Governors are not on the list.

[Scorpiosue1102]

I'm sorry...your point? You honestly think Obama is more qualified to have face-to-face interaction with world leaders? I don't think so...

It is telling that the world's dictators and tyrants favor Obama for the Presidency: They see him as a weaker opponent. McCain has had a much larger presence in foreign affairs. Obama just went to Iraq for the first time in several years and was more concerned with addressing the Germans than our own troops! I'm not saying McCain is perfect here, but with foreign affairs-whether diplomacy or military strategy-my money is on McCain.

Dick Cheney just went to Georgia and the Ukraine recently after the skirmish between Russia and Georgia. Do I want Gov. Palin talking to heads of state? Sorry, but no. Honestly, she does not make me feel comfortable in this instance. Olympia Snow, Kay Bailey-Hutchinson (sp?)...I'd have no problem. This interaction with Katie Couric alone does not give me confidence in her.

Couric: I'm just going to ask you one more time - not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation.

Palin: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you.


To add to Obama's experience:
-lawyer (civil rights)
-taught constitutional law at University of Chicago
-community organizer i.e. finding jobs for layed off steel workers, college prep tutoring and tenants rights for public housing
-1st black president of the Harvard Law Review (graduated magna cum laude)
-directed Illinois' Project Vote to get people registered to vote

Not to sway anyone, but just some interesting info.

[Scorpiosue1102]

A good site that has where she stands on some issues.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm

[AKSheridan]

I know the original question was about Palin as a possible president, but what about her as vice-president? I don't see her as being qualified even for that. Vice-Presidents have been given a much larger role in the past few decades than just presiding over the senate and voting in case of a tie. Look at Bush/Cheney. Many people would agree that Cheney had more say in our going to war with Iraq and in running this country than Bush. People will vote for Palin because of her religion, her hunting skills, her five kids, her proximity to Russia, the fact that Alaska provides 3.5% of the U.S. energy, or whatever reason, but none of these issues or experiences are going to be part of her job. --She isn't a Supreme Court Justice, so she can't vote on the abortion issue; it would be a long shot that she would appoint someone to the Supreme Court--Congress does have to approve that, too. I am just disappointed that people cannot get real and understand what is important and not important in this election. I hear people say that they will vote for her because she is a hunter--good grief, what does that have to do with anything? Gun ownership is already protected by the constitution.

Palin comes off as a good speaker to some because she has given the exact same speech everyday for the past month. So, she's had some practice on it. If she is qualified and such a good speaker, why does she have to be so protected from the press? Like it or not, the press are about the only people that have access and can ask questions of the candidates. She hasn't yet given an open press conference. Is this an indication that the McCain Presidency would be a secret, closed type Presidency? He seldom takes questions anymore either.

I respect people's different beliefs, but I don't understand why some have such a narrow view or low expectations when it comes to qualifications for choosing one of the most powerful persons in the world for office.

Finally, for those who dismiss the importance of U.S. Senators as compared to Governors for a national office, in the succession of the Presidency, the President pro tempore of the Senate is 3rd in line. Can't imagine why that would be if their experience is so unimportant. Governors are not on the list.

:clap

[Trixie Scraps]

As to the question as to why she is so sheltered from the media, I believe it is because our media in the US is so left-slanted and "on the attack" as far as Republicans are concerned.

I went to school for a journalism degree and I guarantee you that the partiality seen in today's media is not what I learned. We were taught to report both sides and remain impartial at all times. That is not what our sensationalist media is about today.

Perhaps they are biding their time for an opportunity when Palin can speak without having her words twisted, manipulated and mocked, as has so often been the case these past few weeks. Personally, I am very much looking forward to the VP debate.... and glad that there will be "limits" enforced on each VP candidate's time for speaking... assuring Biden won't be able to talk, talk, talk and drown her out. I'm genuinely interested to hear her debate, see what she has to say, and see if she can "hang" in this kind of arena.

[sweetandsour]

I'm not a US citizen so I'm not in anyone's camp. However, IMO it's all about hiring the right people. As long as Ms. Palin (or Mr. Biden, or even Mr. McCain or Mr. Obama for that matter) is smart enough to hire and surround herself with the right advisors, strategists, analysts, etc. she'll be okay.

I think that goes for a lot of top management of a lot of corporations too.

[movefearlessly]

no one is qualified. can't wait for the election to be over and done with so we can all go back to our winter of discontent.

[khalgren77]

Ending the war would be SO easy- get the good guys and gals out and make the whole damn country a parking lot! We should have done it years ago!

I support the troops but hate the war itself!

Also (though not entirely on topic) there is a difference between supporting war in general and finishing what was started. Do I think that this war was justified? Not really. However, the fact of the matter is that this country IS in the middle of a war and to just up and leave now would have to be one of the stupidest moves any military leader would do.

[4noisyboys]

Just wanted to say- I've wanted Biden as Prez since 88- so he is actually the icing on the cake for me ;)

Miki...my husband and I feel the exact same way!!

[scrappychic]

I went to school for a journalism degree and I guarantee you that the partiality seen in today's media is not what I learned. We were taught to report both sides and remain impartial at all times.

Hmmm...does FOX news know this? :lol

[Nevada Jen]

This is seriously painful to read. I don't see any real answers to what her qualifications are in this thread. I am starting to think it comes down to the simple fact that she has no experience that makes her particilarly qualified, but many people like what she stands for and plan to vote for her. I really would be interested to hear if she has some experience that would make me feel more comfortable with her.

[Gina.Maria]

I truly have a hard time getting past her voice and mannerisms when she is speaking but will try to reevaluate her speaking finesse next time she is on the air. I dare not even breath what I think of George's public speaking abilities. :)

I think every time she starts to put down the Democrats and, specifically, Senator Obama, she puts on her "Mom Voice" which drives me utterly bonkers. It seems to work for her though. :shrug

[JustSandra]

From what I understand, Sarah Palin has B.S. in communications/journalism. It took 5 different schools and several years for her to finally graduate with this degree and then she never pursued any advanced degree.

I can't comment on much of the topic... but this bothers me. I won't say if I like her or don't. I am not sure yet. But as a young mother, I have been to multiple colleges, and currently am enrolled in 3 of them. I have taken classes through 6 colleges, so my transcripts are a mess, but due to lifes circumstances, I have had to do some of my educations online, or by other ways, so I went where there were classes I needed that fit my criteria. At least She has a degree. More than many people. She has been a mom of many kids, so I am sure that her education has come second to raising those children. You can go to a private ivy-league school for the normal 4 years and then go to law school and still be an educated idiot. Many people in politics (and society) have proven that.

[Gina.Maria]

Okay... Here's where I'm coming from.

I'm pro-choice, pro-responsible hunting (from the ground, not a helicopter), anti-preemptive/anticipatory war and anti-death penalty. For many, that reeks of contradiction and hypocrisy but I have well-thought-out reasons for each and every one of those positions based on my own considerable life experience. Believe me, I'm not prone to impetuosity and don't make decisions about these matters without careful consideration.

As for McCain/Palin vs. Obama/Biden, I prefer the candidates who had the commitment to complete both an undergraduate and law degree over the candidates who barely worked at their education or dragged it out over six years. Obama's historical election to the Harvard Law Review attests to his scholarship and commitment.

Saying McCain is qualified to lead because he was in the military is hardly convincing since his rank in the military was never high enough that he was in charge of tactical development. I believe either candidate will have to rely on advisors in this capacity (as GWB has had to do).

As to foreign relations, Senator Obama has already established relationships with foreign leaders and is being taken quite seriously on the World stage. Europeans are gravely concerned that an America that would seat McCain and Palin is an America gone insane and I've been told that quite plainly by my German friends (who are, interestingly enough, often more educated about American politics than Americans). While Americans dismiss the opinions of the rest of the world as irrelevant, I have to point out that unilateralism will not help us to retain our Great Nation standing and we really need the support of the rest of the world at a time like this. Biden's experience is only a positive in this area.

Palin, while she seems to talk a good game, seems to me to be too easily made into a Republican puppet. She's the poster child of all the key points of their platform and therefore unlikely to oppose her party in any of those areas. Her weaknesses lend to their ability to manipulate her toward decisions that she's ill-equipped to make -foreign relations and intelligent thought being chief among these.

[FrenchRuby]

Don't beat around the bush Gina, say what you really mean :)

Bravo, excellently written, and I heartily agree with your thinking (though I am still not convinced that Obama represents much more than the lesser of two evils). None of my business though, I'm just a cantankerous European :)

[Kater07]

well . . . she's pretty? that takes you pretty far in America. ;) oh, and she shoots guns. Republicans like that, right?

Sorry to not be serious for a moment, but this is what DH keeps saying, but it's She's pretty and has great legs and she can shoot, is there more she needs to do?

I haven't read past Strangejen's 1st post, so I'm going back now for my education.

[ccubed]

Okay, so I watched part of Sarah's interview with Katie. Umm, she seemed a little rattled and had a lot of starts and stops.

After all these weeks to come up with a believable answer as to why she believes Alaska bordering Canada and Russia gives her foreign relations experience, well, she still was at a loss. This was not a surprise question, so coming up with a few specific things would have helped her greatly. Luckily for Sarah, Katie retreated from the question in the end. I also thought Palin's answer as to why she had not gotten a passport until a few years ago was a little snappish. Katie asked Palin if she had ever been curious about the world and Palin alluded to the fact that she was not, after all, from that group of people who gave their kids a backpack and a plane ticket and said go - - she, after all, had to work two jobs to get through school. Huh? There are high school and university exchange programs that have very little to do with backpacks and plane tickets. I hate how she made it sound like those people who pursued their opportunity to explore abroad were elitist. I think she needs to work on foreign experience answers.

I need to find the entire Katie/Sarah interview later when I have time to watch but that is the only part I saw.



As to foreign relations, Senator Obama has already established relationships with foreign leaders and is being taken quite seriously on the World stage. Europeans are gravely concerned that an America that would seat McCain and Palin is an America gone insane and I've been told that quite plainly by my German friends (who are, interestingly enough, often more educated about American politics than Americans). While Americans dismiss the opinions of the rest of the world as irrelevant, I have to point out that unilateralism will not help us to retain our Great Nation standing and we really need the support of the rest of the world at a time like this. Biden's experience is only a positive in this area.

I so agree with you, Gina, as this is my experience with my non-U.S. friends and acquaintances as well. The McCain camp touts his "superior" foreign relations experience all the time, and he does have some great experience on the world stage so I have no argument with that; but, in this era in history, I don't feel that this experience necessarily makes him the stronger candidate when it comes to foreign relations.

Right now, with world order as we know it changing, the rest of world is going to be more amenable to U.S. diplomacy and bilateral cooperation if we get rid of the last vestiges of the Bush administration, and unfortunately for John McCain, at this time in history, he is viewed by a large part of the world as a vestige of the Bush era.

[scrapyardkath]

Certainly shows her lack of judgment and that to me is more important than experience.

But I don't think that this particular topic has any merit towards Palin's qualifications or lack of them.

[ccubed]

I can't comment on much of the topic... but this bothers me. I won't say if I like her or don't. I am not sure yet. But as a young mother, I have been to multiple colleges, and currently am enrolled in 3 of them. I have taken classes through 6 colleges, so my transcripts are a mess, but due to lifes circumstances, I have had to do some of my educations online, or by other ways, so I went where there were classes I needed that fit my criteria. At least She has a degree. More than many people. She has been a mom of many kids, so I am sure that her education has come second to raising those children. You can go to a private ivy-league school for the normal 4 years and then go to law school and still be an educated idiot. Many people in politics (and society) have proven that.

Well, I think you are comparing apples to oranges and should in no way take scrutiny of Palin's academic history as a personal affront. You are not running as the second in line to presidency of the United States of America. Sarah Palin was born in 1964, so, assuming a normal trajectory of events, she would have graduated from high school in 1982 which is the year she first enrolled in college. I have never read that she had a child, was a single mom, or even had a husband during this time; so her life progression and pursuit of an education followed a much different path than yours. In addition, in the early to mid-80s while she was pursuing her education, there was no such thing as online courses. Obtaining a higher education today is very different in comparison to then.

Timeline:
In 1982, Palin enrolled at Hawaii Pacific college but left after her first semester. From there she transferred to North Idaho College , where she spent two semesters as a general studies major. From that community college she then transferred to the much larger University of Idaho. She then left the University of Idaho and attended Matanuska-Sustina College in Alaska for one term. The next year she returned to the University of Idaho where she spent three semesters completing her B.S.

I have a hard time deciphering what this erratic education signifies. I don't know if she was indecisive about where she wanted to be or what she wanted to do. I don't know if she was looking for the easiest way to obtain the necessary credits to graduate. I don't know if it means she had or still has problem with commitment and follow through in certain areas of her life. Heck, I don't know if she was young and really crazy and outrunning a reputation (said in jest before anyone gets excited!). I really have no idea so I wish someone would ask her in an interview. What I do believe is that this is of some significance but I wish I knew of what. I also know that it makes the other guy's resume stronger.

I respect you and your desire to get an education and I applaud you for that. And I agree that I have met my share of people with degrees that are pretty clueless and people without degrees who amaze me. I don't believe that a piece of paper gives you judgement or common sense or drive.

What I am going to tell you though, and please don't take this as an personal attack, is that if you were applying for a job and a few people had the same credentials and experience you did fresh from graduation, your resume may never make it out of the pile to the final interview selection simply because of a sporadic academic history. Sometimes it comes across as an attempt to hide something or take an easier path even if that is not necessarily the case. Fair or unfair, I don't know - - resumes are tossed to the side for lesser reasons when an potential employer is sorting through stackfuls of them.

I send you best wishes in your pursuit of higher education and a job in your field. :)

[Sharia Braxton]

Watch parts 1 and 2 of the interview here (http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2118)
Read the transcript of the interview here (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/25/eveningnews/main4479062.shtml)

[LindsayLou]

Ending the war would be SO easy- get the good guys and gals out and make the whole damn country a parking lot! We should have done it years ago!

I support the troops but hate the war itself!

What I said is that it would be a stupid move on their part. I did not say it wouldn't be easy. Drop a nuke on them and poof....it's over. Still a very, very stupid thing to do. There is a difference.

[LindsayLou]

over the candidates who barely worked at their education or dragged it out over six years.

I have never, ever read anything on DST that is as offensive as this comment here. It really saddens me that people are being put down for working through whatever life situations they had, persevering, and earning their college degree. Wow... :shakehead

ETA: Gina, I do agree with several of your other points you made in that post....just this one was quite harsh.

[nightlily]

I was going to type my answer to the OP, but as I have finally (omg, 12 pages!!) read everything here, I can see that this is not a rational discussion, no matter how the OP intended it.

I have seen some intelligent, well-worded answers by Palin supporters that have been raked over the coals by multiple people. I understand that people are passionate about this topic, but why all of the insipid remarks?

I want to thank those who took the time to give their answer to the OP, but I really think that this has turned into a completely inflammatory post, where nothing is really accomplished at all.

Thanks for the read, though.

[InLoveWithDOTS]

I would agree...... nothing here worth reading. Lots of people with a political bias posting the things they copied and pasted and don't even understand in the first place.

What a shame.

[LindsayLou]

Please don't take this the wrong way. I truly want to figure out where people are coming from when they think Palin is a good fit experience-wise for the Republican ticket.

From what I understand, Sarah Palin has B.S. in communications/journalism. It took 5 different schools and several years for her to finally graduate with this degree and then she never pursued any advanced degree. When people started talking about Sarah's qualifications, I assumed that she had a degree in law or business or economics or political science/international studies. She has none of these and fail to see how at such a young age she became an "expert" in energy policy. To me being an expert simply does not mean that you are a governor of an energy rich state.

She was the mayor of a town of 5,000 people and from what I have read about the town, it does not sound like anyplace I would want to live (haphazard city planning, a big crystal meth problem, and taxes to build an NHL-size $15 million dollar sports complex while ignoring library needs). At any rate, the fire department and school district are handled by a bigger Alaskan regional government entity so she did not even deal with local education issues while she was mayor.

I also have to be skeptical about public administration and financial experience of governors/mayors in an energy rich state whose budgets are primarly financed by the royalties earned from natural resources. To me this indicates you are not having to make the toughest decisions when it comes to taxation and spending since you don't have huge worries about your city/town's revenues.

In addition, Palin is from a very isloated, remote area of the U.S. and had never spent any significant time abroad and had never spent time with any foreign diginitaries or heads of state. I, for one, find it difficult to see how someone who has come from such insular life in a remote state to relate to this big world and all its problems. I giggled this week and wondered if all the foreigners she cut her teeth on this week were a little perterbed at being asked to meet with her. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall.

These are just some the thoughts I have spinning in my head. If you are Sarah Palin supporter, I really would like to hear what you think makes her qualified for office. Talk to me like you are trying to convince me that she is qualified for the job. I am not looking for a debate and I promise I am not going to come back and argue or contradict you. I just really want to hear people's THOUGHTS on her qualifications. Color me confused!! :shrug

To answer your original question, ;), I do not think that EXPERIENCE-wise Sarah Palin was probably the best person to accompany McCain on the Republican ticket (coming from a non-Obama supporter).

She has been a governor of Alaska for a couple years. Does that qualify her to help run the country? Probably not. She was mayor of a town twice the size of the HIGH SCHOOL I graduated from. Does that qualify her to help run the country? Probably not. She has a journalism degree, not a political science or law degree. She's never been a member of a national political institution (ie Senate or Congress). She isn't well experienced on foreign policy.

So to answer your question, she doesn't have that many qualifications for the job. I totally agree on that.

Now, on the flip side, that is actually one of the reasons I am excited about her. She is very far removed from Washington, so it would really be like a fresh set of eyes. Maybe she'll bring new ideas and thoughts to the table, maybe she won't. We don't really know that yet.

From my past experiences hiring employees, I know that I don't always hire on who has had the most experience, but I consider several facets of the person. I do really like Palin's stances on many of the issues that are most important to ME. I like her character, etc.

Hope that was the info you were looking for....

[AKSheridan]

To answer your original question, ;), I do not think that EXPERIENCE-wise Sarah Palin was probably the best person to accompany McCain on the Republican ticket (coming from a non-Obama supporter).

She has been a governor of Alaska for a couple years. Does that qualify her to help run the country? Probably not. She was mayor of a town twice the size of the HIGH SCHOOL I graduated from. Does that qualify her to help run the country? Probably not. She has a journalism degree, not a political science or law degree. She's never been a member of a national political institution (ie Senate or Congress). She isn't well experienced on foreign policy.

So to answer your question, she doesn't have that many qualifications for the job. I totally agree on that.

Now, on the flip side, that is actually one of the reasons I am excited about her. She is very far removed from Washington, so it would really be like a fresh set of eyes. Maybe she'll bring new ideas and thoughts to the table, maybe she won't. We don't really know that yet.

From my past experiences hiring employees, I know that I don't always hire on who has had the most experience, but I consider several facets of the person. I do really like Palin's stances on many of the issues that are most important to ME. I like her character, etc.

Hope that was the info you were looking for....

Now that was a well said, thought out and satisfying answer to the OP, thank you!! I think a good portion of the Palin supporters (I am not one of them BTW) are excited for this very reason...her "inexperience" and fresh perspective. As far as her character, what are we supposed to judge that on? What do we know about her character? I'm not trying to be snarky, just trying to learn!

[LindsayLou]

Now that was a well said, thought out and satisfying answer to the OP, thank you!! I think a good portion of the Palin supporters (I am not one of them BTW) are excited for this very reason...her "inexperience" and fresh perspective. As far as her character, what are we supposed to judge that on? What do we know about her character? I'm not trying to be snarky, just trying to learn!

Her character (that I am referencing anyway) that has impressed me thus far includes: the way she has publicly handled the news of her teen's pregnancy, her personal choices to have a downs baby, and the way she portrays herself while speaking. I am sure as the election nears and the debates continue I will learn additional things about her and the other candidates that I will consider in my voting decision. :)

[FrenchRuby]

Many years ago (25?), a film maker let me shoot some footage of a rally that I was on. I knew nothing about making films, didn't even know how to work the camera. But, he said, that was exactly why he wanted me to film some stuff, because I wasn't jaded by film school and experience. I didn't know what I couldn't do, and that was a valuable thing because it didn't blinker me or make me prone to cliche.

Having said that, if it were a question of getting a genuine (I mean REAL), intelligent, well-spoken woman on the ticket who could bring an interest in and understanding of the topics that matter to people and a desire to change things in the interests of the population without regard for the status quo, I think I'd choose Michelle Obama over Sarah Palin. I was really impressed with her speeches and I think she has a lot more going for her than Palin does, in so many ways.

Not going to happen I know, but we can dream.

[InLoveWithDOTS]

I think I'd choose Michelle Obama over Sarah Palin. I was really impressed with her speeches and I think she has a lot more going for her than Palin does, in so many ways.


http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sick/sick0021.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-mad-smileys.php) <----
Are you talking about the Michelle Obama that only recently became proud to be an American. Thanks, but I'll pass on THAT!

[PaulaM]

Well, Harry Truman wasn't experienced when he became VP either and then was thrown into the presidency when FDR died and I think he did a fabulous job!! We need another president like him.

[maggie965]

http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sick/sick0021.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-mad-smileys.php) <----
Are you talking about the Michelle Obama that only recently became proud to be an American. Thanks, but I'll pass on THAT!

You might be mistaken. I think she means the Michelle Obama who has always been proud of her country, not necessarily the PEOPLE elected to represent it. The smart, well spoken, educated Michelle Obama who probably wouldn't be a bad President either! The one who is well-versed on the issues facing this country, even foreign policy. And I'm really shocked about that since she can't see Russia from her back yard!! I'm pretty sure that's the one she's talking about, I'm not sure which one you are referring to...

[FrenchRuby]

Yep, Maggie, that's the one I was talking about.

I can't really blame her, if indeed she ever wasn't proud to be American, I don't think with the way things are and have been over the past few years that I would be either. And that's not a dig at American people in any way, I'm not proud of being British. For exactly the same reasons. I wish I was, I wish I could be, but right now, it is HARD.

[Scorpiosue1102]

To tell you the truth, the reason why there isn't much info on here here is because there isn't much info on her. That's why she needs to be interviewed and talk to the press more. I do not like not knowing what a persons views are. I've looked hard to find stuff. Not a lot out there. Some info you can find at www.ontheissues.org (http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/www.ontheissues.org).


This was Michelle Obama's exact quote, "For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country." It's been spun so many time by leaving things out. When I read this I don't see that she's never been proud of her country I see that she's REALLY proud of her country.

I guess my problem with Sarah Palin is that there were more qualified women out there that could have been picked. If you want a woman governor how about Christine Todd-Whitman who was also head of the EPA or Senator Kay Bailey-Hutchinson, Senator Olympia Snowe, Senator Elizabeth Dole. Elizabeth Dole has been Sec. of Labor, Sec. of Transportation and President of the Red Cross. Lots of experience with foreign heads of state along with the pulse of America. Check out her profile at www.senate.gov (http://www.senate.gov) She truly would have been a great VP candidate.

[Sharia Braxton]

I am so tired of people saying that Ms Obama was/is not proud of her Country. I'm a parent and i'm there are times when I'm not REALLY proud of my daughters, in fact there are times when i'm not even PROUD of them.

In the same way there are times that I'm PROUD of them and times i'm REALLY PROUD of them. In that same spirit I can certainly her saying REALLY PROUD...and I would be hardpressed to believe that someone really didn't get her meaning.

[FrenchRuby]

I guess it is convenient for some people to read her quote as 'genuinely proud' (as opposed to 'say I am proud but I'm not really') rather than 'exceptionally' or 'extra' proud (at the moment).

[erica922]

I don't like her.

[Charlene]

I saw a link to this article posted on a Politics board I frequent and thought this was interesting, and relevant to the topic at hand:

Article by conservative Palin admirer (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE=)


Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.
....
No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.
....
If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.


I certainly found it refreshing to see a palin supporter admit she was out of her league. I support Biden but I can admit he sure makes me shake my head sometimes. Thankfully, he has a long career of politics that I can stand behind. Without that, I don't get the blind level of support that Palin receives from McCain supporters.

[NellieRose]

What's astounding is that if you do question anything in regards to Sarah Palin it is taken as some sort of attack and met with a counter of how wrong Obama or Biden are or you get a comparison to other politicians that have served an equal amount of time ina similar office....as an educated voter I want to be sure that I am not missing out on something I would/should/could be voting for.

With information on Palin at a premium how could anyone be an educated voter while casting a vote in favor of her or the presidential ticket she is on.

At this point I see McCain's choice of Palin as reckless....hopefully we will hear more from to change my view.

[ccubed]

Well, Harry Truman wasn't experienced when he became VP either and then was thrown into the presidency when FDR died and I think he did a fabulous job!! We need another president like him.

. . . I knew Harry Truman, ... And Sarah Palin is no Harry Truman. ;) :lol

Some people will understand that. :)

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Thank you Lyndsay Lou for sharing the many reasons you think she is a good fit even though you concede that she does not have the best experience for the job. This is the kind of info I was curious to hear about from those who support her being on the Republican ticket. I agree that there seems to some admirable things about her character; but as I have read about the political shenanigans that went on in Wasilla while she was mayor, I have to question other aspects of her character as well.

I guess it can also be argued that since so many in the GOP think Obama is not experienced enough, he should be considered a fresh perspective in Washington as well - - after all as it has been pointed out numerous times that he is only a junior senator who has been in office since 2005 after being elected in Nov 2004. It is a president who will effect more change than a VP anyway if one is truly voting for "change" in Washington.

I am with Sue - - I think the GOP ticket would have been better served by picking a more qualified woman. McCain could have made his ticket almost unbeatable had he chosen a different running mate. I don't know if his move was just ballsy or he listened to the wrong people. :headscratch

[kjbstevens]

Well I don't know if just any other woman would work. Elizabeth Dole is losing in her re-election right now. Using no names in it which is better: A popular already elected governor or someone losing in their home turf for the Senate? Hutchison is running for governor of Texas so she is busy too. People see Rice as Bush. Snowe has weird voting records for conservatives (I'm think pro-choice). She would have been discounted on that because conservates wanted a conservative because many saw McCain as to moderate. She fit what they were trying to fill with her personal beliefs whether or not people see that as qualified. She has have leadership experience whether or not it's enough for some, but I will say as a Republican she was picked above other because of personal reasons that were similar to the voters they wanted to court. It brought the party together as much as Obama picking a VP with Washington experience that people said he was lacking. They both picked on filling the gaps that a large amount of their normal voters were worried about this missing.

[vegaschristina]

. . . I knew Harry Truman, ... And Sarah Palin is no Harry Truman. ;) :lol

Some people will understand that. :)


Actually, that was exactly my thought when I first heard the comparison. :D

[Hollie]

I am with Sue - - I think the GOP ticket would have been better served by picking a more qualified woman. McCain could have made his ticket almost unbeatable had he chosen a different running mate. I don't know if his move was just ballsy or he listened to the wrong people. :headscratch

I agree in some ways, but I also know that a lot of the more conservative base was *not* happy with McCain on the ticket. And choosing Palin got a lot of people excited about it who previously were wondering where to cast their vote. I can see, in some ways, why he would choose her in light of that. But I do agree that there may have been a better choice in the end. I think McCain took a risk, and I just don't know if it will pay off for him.

[4noisyboys]

Palin Should Step Down (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/)

Not the first time I've heard this in the last few days....

[Hollie]

Palin Should Step Down (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/)

Not the first time I've heard this in the last few days....

Even if she wasn't the best choice, I think having her step down may possibly do more damage to the campaign that it would help. Not that I'm a huge fan or anything, but that's just what I think.

[Trixie Scraps]

Hmmm...does FOX news know this? :lol

No, and neither does MSNBC, CNBC or many of the others which slant to the left. Actually, as far as impartiality goes, the right only has FOX news.... left-wingers can go find their brand of sensationalism from most news outlets.

[4noisyboys]

Even if she wasn't the best choice, I think having her step down may possibly do more damage to the campaign that it would help. Not that I'm a huge fan or anything, but that's just what I think.

You know....I'm not so sure. If you've made a mistake, own up to it. She was not properly vetted, and if she had been, she would NEVER have been chosen.

I would be voting for Obama no matter who McCain had chosen, but I would not be so against McCain being president if someone else had been chosen. The fact that she is one heart beat away from the presidency scares me!! Bush's nominee for the supreme court (Harriet something or other) was forced into stepping down, and then wasn't it Roberts that they got in? (could be wrong here...I don't have time to go check my facts).

[4noisyboys]

Just one other quick little bit of info....

I lived for 7 years in Alaska. My dh is up there right now working...his siblings all live there too. Until you've actually lived there, it is hard to understand how isolated it is. Wasilla is a teeny tiny town....I lived about 30 min away from it, and there was no way in the world I could live there. It really is a different kind of life, and not the same at all if you just live on one of the military bases there...I'm talking about being "part" of Alaska. My ex sil is part Alaskan native...my dh has worked in bush communities out there where you have to fly in....just a very different way of living.

[Miss Chris]

Just took the time to watch the Couric/Palin interview and I am speechless.

[Trixie Scraps]

I have never, ever read anything on DST that is as offensive as this comment here. It really saddens me that people are being put down for working through whatever life situations they had, persevering, and earning their college degree. Wow... :shakehead

ETA: Gina, I do agree with several of your other points you made in that post....just this one was quite harsh.

You know, I have to agree here... sometimes "kids" (meant, 18yr olds coming out of high school) are just not ready for college and don't know what they want to do. Especially those from a small town. I went to a high school of about 1000 kids and STILL wasn't ready for the huge university environment I settled in at 18. By 19, I was miserable and flunking out. You have no idea what Sarah Palin was experiencing during those years, and unless you do, perhaps you should save the judge and jury seat for the Almighty.

I went back to school at 26, worked a full-time job, planned a wedding and got married all at the same time... and managed to graduate with a 4.0 GPA on my 28th birthday. It's one of my proudest accomplishments.... and the only difference between that era and the one I lived through right out of high school was a bit of maturity and a more "settled" feeling, knowing what I wanted to do.

And I say all that to say.... sometimes people just need some extra time to "grow up." What she did or didn't do as a student in the 80's should certainly not speak to her character, as a whole, today. For goodness sakes, its been 20+ years. I'd like to hope all of us have grown up and matured a bit over the past 20 years.....

[NellieRose]

sometimes people just need some extra time to "grow up." What she did or didn't do as a student in the 80's should certainly not speak to her character, as a whole, today. For goodness sakes, its been 20+ years. I'd like to hope all of us have grown up and matured a bit over the past 20 years.....

I agree but that in conjunction with what little we have been able to see and hear of her makes you wonder....I am looking at the whole package.

[Gina.Maria]

Originally Posted by Gina.Maria http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?p=1491479#post1491479)
over the candidates who barely worked at their education or dragged it out over six years.


I have never, ever read anything on DST that is as offensive as this comment here. It really saddens me that people are being put down for working through whatever life situations they had, persevering, and earning their college degree. Wow... :shakehead

ETA: Gina, I do agree with several of your other points you made in that post....just this one was quite harsh.

You're kidding, right? Everything that's ever been posted on DST and THIS is the most offensive comment you've ever seen? McCain's educational experience is well-documented as a lackluster and lazy effort that resulted in his graduating 894th of 899. No one is denying his intelligence, but he himself has written about how he misused his opportunity (probably not his words, but anyone who doesn't bite off all they can chew of a Naval Academy education is seriously wasting the opportunity.) As for Ms. Palin, her college career is not one that a reasonable employer would appreciate and the fact that she hasn't explained it suggests that she really was as flighty and undecided as it appears. Honestly, Communications/Journalism is one of those majors that one could cruise through without much effort (at least it was in the 80s). As a previous poster mentioned, she entered college directly out of high school and continually transferred from one school to another. She was not a young mother trying to balance school and family and all evidence suggests that she had the loving support of her parents at all times. A Communications degree is not an Engineering degree - it does not, by any stretch of the imagination require 6 years to complete. I had friends in Communications at the same time (early to late 80s) who actually completed the degree in 3.5 years.

I'm sorry if I place an emphasis on a cohesive life plan and commitment to education but Biden, Obama and even McCain* have all shown more maturity in their paths to their eventual careers. These are important to me though they may not mean diddly to you.

*This is in no way a slight on his maturity, I'm just saying that despite his lack of trying in school he stuck to his plan and showed that he was committed.

[NellieRose]

I have never, ever read anything on DST that is as offensive as this comment here..

So to question someone's education & how it was obtained in comparison to another's education is more offensive than being called "evil" for being "Pro-Choice", referring to Senator Obama as "NObama", and even someone saying they wouldn't vote for Obama because he isn't their "type of man"???

I have no issue with you Lindsay, just looking to be clear on what you were trying to get across.

[LindsayLou]

Originally Posted by Gina.Maria http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?p=1491479#post1491479)
over the candidates who barely worked at their education or dragged it out over six years.

You're kidding, right?

No, I'm not.

[LindsayLou]

So to question someone's education & how it was obtained in comparison to another's education is more offensive than being called "evil" for being "Pro-Choice", referring to Senator Obama as "NObama", and even someone saying they wouldn't vote for Obama because he isn't their "type of man"???

I have no issue with you Lindsay, just looking to be clear on what you were trying to get across.

This is exactly what I quoted: over the candidates who barely worked at their education or dragged it out over six years.

What offends me is exactly what I stated. I find it sad that ANYONE is being criticized for obtaining a college degree (not Palin or McCain or Joe Bob down the street, mind you). It is just sad...

Maybe it did take Palin longer than usual. Maybe she did go to several colleges. Does that make her education less valid than another's? No. I've already stated elsewhere that she does not have a Political Science, Law, History, {insert other common degree here for a politician}. But it doesn't necessarily make her education any less valid. It's just different.

You can say that what Obama studied makes him more knowledgeable of politics. I'll agree on that. But for people to be put down because they obtained a degree at all just pisses me off. It took my Grandpa over 20 years to earn his bachelor's degree. Life is sometimes very different than what you expect when you enter into something. I graduated high school one of the top 5 in my class and went to college on a full ride scholarship. And you know what? My college transcripts are crazy--I have to obtain them from five different schools. Does that mean I had a crappy education? Nope.

It just really hit the wrong nerve with me.... I suppose when I send my son off to college when he's 18, I will have to remind him that if he does not stay at the same school and graduate with 4 years from said university, his degree will be worthless? I don't think so... It doesn't make a lot of sense IMO.

[nlbremer]

Don't forget that your boy Billy didn't have extensive experience prior to his presidency either!

The thing about the whole Palin issue that really bothers me is that McCain (or his people) are sheltering Palin. They need to let her loose. No, her experience is not extensive. I don't think that is a requirement to be a good leader. However, I think it is hurting her/the campaign more that she hasn't been totally tearing it up with the press interviews, etc, so we can all get to know her better. I don't think she did a great job in her Couric interview. Part of me wonders if that is because she is being coached so much on what to say/not to say that she doesn't even feel free to be herself. That is frustrating me!

I am excited for the debate tonight. This is the bread and butter for me. Palin and Biden are important, but not as important as what tonight will be for both campaigns, imo.

[LindsayLou]

For the record, I am neither a republican or democrat. I vote solely on issues that are of importance to me. In the past, I have voted for both rep & dem candidates.

[Gina.Maria]

I did not, in any way criticize the fact that she obtained her degree only the fact that I don't think a person with as little direction as she obviously showed is not the person I want running our country. I think it's great that she stuck with it all those years and I greatly admire those people who stick with their education through all of life's adversities but I'd prefer that she keep her Communications degree in Alaska. Yes, 18-year-olds can be crazy and undecided and a little bit wild but at some point they need to set a life goal and head in that direction. Was 20 the magic age for her? Not really, because she continued to move from one college to another. Five colleges in 6 years (six colleges, if her account is reliable, though the alleged college has no record of her attendance) is insane even for the most flighty individual and shows a serious lack of dedication. Additionally, she has not released transcripts showing her GPA (though the media has submitted requests to the campaign). I'm sorry, but a person who is trying to prove her qualifications needs to be as open as we're requiring her male counterparts to be. I may not know Obama's class rank (Harvard stopped ranking years before Obama graduated) but I know he graduated Magna Cum Laude. He's been honest about his misspent youth and recreational drug use but when it came time to grow up, he settled into his education and followed the path with determination to the end.

[LindsayLou]

Gina,
With your clarification, I can agree on what you just stated. If I took your former words out of context, I apologize. As I said, it just kind of hit a nerve.

No hard feelings toward you, and I hope you feel the same.

[nlbremer]

only the fact that I don't think a person with as little direction as she obviously showed is not the person I want running our country.

I don't know how many times and different ways it can be said:
Palin is running for VICE PRESIDENT. She won't be running the country!!

2nd--as far as taking time to get a degree. I can relate. It took me longer than I had hoped for various reasons. I just think you should be careful about how you put that down because it certainly isn't helping the "elitist democrat" stigma. Harvard, magna cum laude--those are great, but don't make you qualified to be president or many other things any more than being a world traveler gives you foreign policy experience.

[AKSheridan]

I wouldn't say her education is less "valid" I would just say much less impressive and it certainly isn't helping her case to prove that she's qualified to run the country. I think its a completely valid point to bring up.

Would you also say it doesn't matter that McCain was 894 out of 899 of his graduating class? As long as he earned his degree?

I don't know, I think it's all pretty relevant.

[tcscrapper]

I don't know how many times and different ways it can be said:
Palin is running for VICE PRESIDENT. She won't be running the country!!


And I don't know how many times it's been said here... there is a CHANCE she COULD be running the country in the next 4 years if something happens to McCain.

Anything can happen. I'm not willing to risk having someone as inexperienced as Palin running the country I live in.

[AKSheridan]

I don't know how many times and different ways it can be said:
Palin is running for VICE PRESIDENT. She won't be running the country!!

2nd--as far as taking time to get a degree. I can relate. It took me longer than I had hoped for various reasons. I just think you should be careful about how you put that down because it certainly isn't helping the "elitist democrat" stigma. Harvard, magna cum laude--those are great, but don't make you qualified to be president or many other things any more than being a world traveler gives you foreign policy experience.

A Harvard Law degree alone certainly doesn't qualify you to be president, sure. But to me it's a factor in Obama's favor.

AND I just don't understand why people have a problem with those of us who want a VP capable of running the country?? I don't get!!! VP is next in line.

[lunafaerie]

I don't know how many times and different ways it can be said:
Palin is running for VICE PRESIDENT. She won't be running the country!!

IMO, her views and qualifications do matter, the Vice-President does have a role in the administration, not just in the case of having to take over, but I think everyone agrees that Dick Cheney & Al Gore were very influential Vice-presidents. In fact, it's been said that Dick Cheney changed the Vice President's role forever. I want to know what Sarah Palin intends to do as Vice President, for goodness sake, she hasn't even talked about that. In fact, before she was vetted, she was quoted as saying she didn't know what the Vice President did all day long.

What I am sick of is people making excuses that since she's only going to be a Vice President, she doesn't need to be as qualified as the President.

It goes both ways.

[nlbremer]

There's a chance Biden could be president, too, and that just freaks me the hell out.

I'm not saying education is irrelevant. What I am saying is that being a Harvard grad does not make Obama better than anyone else. I'm just really tired of the whole elitist thing...and it comes from both side I know. It just seems that she's being penalized for being a regular, every day person, and the last time I checked we have a country full of those kind of folks. I kind of find it refreshing that she's not an Ivy-leaguer or running in the right circles or worshipping at the altar of the left-wing media.
She's a regular, every day person who chose to run for office and has done a lot of good in her time there. I have been looking, reading, listening to both sides of this election, and I have yet to see any really solid things that Obama has accomplished--and to me that is far more important, since he is the one actually running for pres.

I'm not saying she's perfect...nor McCain. Far from it.

[Trixie Scraps]

I want to know what Sarah Palin intends to do as Vice President, for goodness sake, she hasn't even talked about that.

I don't think she's been given the chance. All the media wants to talk to her about is pigs wearing lipstick, teenagers having babies, Alaska's proximity to Russia, and various other things that have been *ahem* reported on (if you can call it that) 20,000 times already.

I'd love to hear someone ask her that question and actually give her the time to answer it. I suspect many of you would feel the same, even if you aren't a supporter!

[nlbremer]

I'm not saying her views aren't important. I'm just saying that is it, in fact, different for her and Obama. We should be comparing Biden/Palin and Obama/McCain, but it seems it is Palin vs. Obama. That's where I'm having trouble understanding the train of thought...

[lunafaerie]

I don't think she's been given the chance. All the media wants to talk to her about is pigs wearing lipstick, teenagers having babies, Alaska's proximity to Russia, and various other things that have been *ahem* reported on (if you can call it that) 20,000 times already.

I'd love to hear someone ask her that question and actually give her the time to answer it. I suspect many of you would feel the same, even if you aren't a supporter!

ITA, she should take questions from reporters then.

[Hollie]

You know....I'm not so sure. If you've made a mistake, own up to it. She was not properly vetted, and if she had been, she would NEVER have been chosen.




Well, I'm not *sure* either LOL. But my opinion is that, if another running mate was chosen, then McCain would be made to look the fool even more for "not being able to make up his mind," and I'm sure lots of other things that his naysayers would come up with. Plus, he would also cause unrest and unsteadiness among his base. Again, you can't really know for sure what would happen, and I'm far from an expert. But that's just what I think. And, just to clarify once again, I'm not particularly in support of either of the big two candidates (and I haven't looked enough at Bob Barr to know what I think about him either).

[nlbremer]

McCain's not going to take her off the ticket, but he does need to let her speak. I feel like she's been in the witness protection program or something. This election is coming to a close and he could easily shoot himself in the foot if he keeps hiding her away.

[NellieRose]

I don't know how many times and different ways it can be said:
Palin is running for VICE PRESIDENT. She won't be running the country!!

2nd--as far as taking time to get a degree. I can relate. It took me longer than I had hoped for various reasons. I just think you should be careful about how you put that down because it certainly isn't helping the "elitist democrat" stigma. Harvard, magna cum laude--those are great, but don't make you qualified to be president or many other things any more than being a world traveler gives you foreign policy experience.

Since the Vice President is 2nd in the chain of command, yes, she could be President and would be if anything happened to John McCain...even if he needed to have a minor surgery and be incapacitated by anesthesia or any other means she would be in charge. I certainly don't hope for the demise of John McCain, but he as well as any other person on this planet is not guaranteed to see the end of the current day, regardless of age or health. Wasn't Cheney "officially" in Command at some point, however brief the time span, during the events of Sept. 11, 2001?

As for the "elitist" bit...it's a bit much. How can you call a man raised by a single parent, relied on food stamps, obtained a degree, obtained a post-grad degree and then went to the streets to help those who needed it the most an "elitist".

How on earth does wanting better for all people, putting people & the world we live in before big business, getting help to those that need it most, an open-mind and inclusive mind for diversity and a will to work tirelessly for the greater good equate to "elitist" ?

If caring about more than just yourself and wanting better for all is elitism, then please, throw me in a blue Tiffany box, tie it up with a pretty white satin bow and call me an "elitist". By all means, please do...I would relish the title then.

[Gina.Maria]

I don't know how many times and different ways it can be said:
Palin is running for VICE PRESIDENT. She won't be running the country!!

2nd--as far as taking time to get a degree. I can relate. It took me longer than I had hoped for various reasons. I just think you should be careful about how you put that down because it certainly isn't helping the "elitist democrat" stigma. Harvard, magna cum laude--those are great, but don't make you qualified to be president or many other things any more than being a world traveler gives you foreign policy experience.

Say it as many times or in as many ways as you like, but Cheney isn't a wallflower and the vice-presidency isn't the office it used to be. She's running for the 2nd highest office in our country and I expect her to have the same qualifications as a presidential candidate should have because she could be in line to "inherit" the office.

And her degree didn't just "take time." If she'd done it in 6 years but only gone to two or even three colleges, I'd probably take her efforts more seriously. I'd also take a poli-sci, pre-law or history degree more seriously. I never suggested that her state college, non-ivy league education was a drawback, either. I respect the education that can be had at community colleges and state universities and don't place a higher value on an undergraduate degree from Harvard versus Florida State (for example.) I'm familiar with hiring practices (having been a department director) and with educational institutions (that management experience being in a university) and can read a transcript with ease. That many transfers suggests the possibility that a poor GPA was the motivation behind a transfer (as GPAs don't transfer, only credits) and a person who is trying to hide that shows a lack of integrity. That may not be the case, but the fact that her transcripts have not been released leaves room for the speculation.

[lunafaerie]

and I have yet to see any really solid things that Obama has accomplished

Here's one: the Federal Funding and Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Funding_Accountability_and_Transparency_Ac t_of_2006 It was a bi-partisan bill that Obama and McCain worked together on.

What I find funny is that Palin has been telling people this is one thing she wants the government to do when her and McCain are in office, but it's already being done and it happened because Obama and McCain and several other bi-partisan senators already did it.

[Haley64]

Certainly shows her lack of judgment and that to me is more important than experience.

Lack of judgment, according to whose beliefs? :) True knowledge and understanding can only be achieved if you honestly know both sides of a situation and how it affects everyone. It can't just be "perfect" for everyone!
I bet if you had a wolf running the street of NY your cops would shoot it down also to protect it's citizens!

IMHO I am glad that her judgment is "spot on" with this issue and it is about time those in leadership who live in the areas that have to deal with unique situations finally take it in hand and go against the status quo and do the right things needed for those in certain areas of our land. :)

[NellieRose]

There's a chance Biden could be president, too, and that just freaks me the hell out.

I understand Biden may not be your cup of tea and fully respect that but he does have a much better set of credentials than Sarah Palin for the position he is seeking.

Why are the Palin defenders not railing about conservative Republicans that at one point applauded the choice of Palin as the VP candidate are now openly slamming her as a choice? Is it only inappropriate for those in opposition to the party to question her qualifications? If so, that's a major double standard.

[Trixie Scraps]

McCain's not going to take her off the ticket, but he does need to let her speak. I feel like she's been in the witness protection program or something. This election is coming to a close and he could easily shoot himself in the foot if he keeps hiding her away.

ITA... the campaign noose is the reason she doesn't take questions from reporters... I don't think its her desire to do so.

[NellieRose]

I bet if you had a wolf running the street of NY your cops would shoot it down also to protect it's citizens!

Not being snarky Tracey but they have to be very judicious in spreading bullets due to the high concentration of people in any area at any given time....was sort of a similar issue this past summer in Chicago when there was a Mountain Lion (maybe a Cougar - not exactly sure which) running the streets of Chicago.

[nlbremer]

I don't think her lack of visibility has been her choice. I don't know this, but I speculate that it's intentional. With her personality, I just can't see her being any less than "chomping at the bit" to get out there and campaign, defend and prove herself.

Yes, Biden has more experience than she does, but for me in this situation, I do not like his record. It's risky either way, truthfully.
Oh and on the VP front: I do think it's important that she will be learning from an experienced person in McCain.

Oh, and I haven't said anything about Repub vs Democrat on being against Palin. However, no matter the party I do feel it's that person's right to change their mind about a candidate for whatever reason. I don't think it's in good taste for them to slam their VP candidate, but we've all done things that aren't in good taste.

Oh, and I was actually leaning towards Obama until the Biden announcement...if that matters.

I like to say "Oh" a lot apparently. LOL

[lunafaerie]

I don't think her lack of visibility has been her choice. I don't know this, but I speculate that it's intentional. With her personality, I just can't see her being any less than "chomping at the bit" to get out there and campaign, defend and prove herself.

Yes, Biden has more experience than she does, but for me in this situation, I do not like his record. It's risky either way, truthfully.
Oh and on the VP front: I do think it's important that she will be learning from an experienced person in McCain.

Oh, and I haven't said anything about Repub vs Democrat on being against Palin. However, no matter the party I do feel it's that person's right to change their mind about a candidate for whatever reason. I don't think it's in good taste for them to slam their VP candidate, but we've all done things that aren't in good taste.

Oh, and I was actually leaning towards Obama until the Biden announcement...if that matters.

To be fair, I want to hear about why you don't like Biden. I know the reasons I thought he was a great pick, but I honestly want to hear why he isn't for you.

[nlbremer]

Sorry--forgot to respond to the elitist thing. I'm not saying his upbringing is elitist or even that he is elitist himself. What I'm saying is that I've heard things coming from the Dems about his education, etc. I think it's other people's comments that have given the impression that he's better because of having a Harvard degree. Does that clarify a bit more? The whole community organizer thing does still baffle me, though.

[NellieRose]

Sorry--forgot to respond to the elitist thing. I'm not saying his upbringing is elitist or even that he is elitist himself. What I'm saying is that I've heard things coming from the Dems about his education, etc. I think it's other people's comments that have given the impression that he's better because of having a Harvard degree. Does that clarify a bit more? The whole community organizer thing does still baffle me, though.

Yes, it does clarify...thanks for responding. :)

What chaps me about the "elitist" thing is the word is bandied about as a generalization for Democrats now.

[NellieRose]

Yes, Biden has more experience than she does, but for me in this situation, I do not like his record. It's risky either way, truthfully.
Oh and on the VP front: I do think it's important that she will be learning from an experienced person in McCain.

Fair enough.


Oh, and I haven't said anything about Repub vs Democrat on being against Palin. However, no matter the party I do feel it's that person's right to change their mind about a candidate for whatever reason. I don't think it's in good taste for them to slam their VP candidate, but we've all done things that aren't in good taste.

That was directed at you in response...was more of a broad statement on my part.

[scrappingfx]

were the wolves terrorizing farm stock or coming down into town or something? Was there a REASON they needed killed?

Dang . . . the animals were on that land first, people . . . BUT growing up in Montana I do know that sometimes predators can be a problem or the deer population gets too high and they start coming into town . . . in that case, when I was in high school my town passed a temporary lift on the ban on bow hunting within city limits. :)

this ends my random tangent :)

I'm in Montana now, and we have 2 wolf packs withon a 10 mile radius of my house. 2 were on the road by the school bus stop where my neighbor's 8 and 10 year old catch the school bus every morning... scary deal. Thus far no wolf/human scraps that I've heard about, but living here the possibility certainly does evist, as with the bears, mountain lions and so forth. I can't fault a governor for taking action if they become a problem for folks.

As for Palin's qualifications, I simply can't say. I'd ask the folks in Alaska. I will say that none of the candidates running now inspire confidence in me.

[nlbremer]

To be fair, I want to hear about why you don't like Biden. I know the reasons I thought he was a great pick, but I honestly want to hear why he isn't for you.

Well, from a previous comment that I made, I don't think his knowledge of US history is that great--saying that FDR was pres during the depression and that he came on TV to address the American people. That just makes him look like a fool. However, that's not like #1 reason or anything...but closely related to that is that I think he's a loose cannon. He speaks before he thinks.

His position on abortion is kind of sketchy. He says he believes life begins at conception and is opposed to partial birth abortion, but is overall for abortion???

He was originally for the Iraq war but changed his mind. I think it's okay to change your mind, but not in the middle of a hard fought war that just needs finished. I don't like the war either, but I think it would be wrong and dangerous for us to just leave now.

He's flipped on same-sex marriage, too. So what does he really believe?

I totally don't agree with his stance on how to deal with the illegal immigration issue.

That's a start...

[nightlily]

I wouldn't say her education is less "valid" I would just say much less impressive and it certainly isn't helping her case to prove that she's qualified to run the country. I think its a completely valid point to bring up.

Would you also say it doesn't matter that McCain was 894 out of 899 of his graduating class? As long as he earned his degree?

I don't know, I think it's all pretty relevant.

I think it is far-fetched to equate readiness to be a head of state with educational achievement. For either party.

The fact that this is a key issue for some scares me, as there are FAR more important things to scrutinize and contemplate, namely economic stabilization and development policies. I'm sorry, but all of the education in the world doesn't prepare you for real-time application and readiness.

Either way, both candidates, should they win, will not be the judge and the jury, end all be all. You can be sure most things are left up to an impressive team of strategists, advisors, and aides. You'd better check their credentials, though.. :).

Personally, I don't care for either candidate, and I've been paying close attention to the campaigns (i.e. huge wastes of money) that have brought this coming election to new lows. After much contemplation, I really don't know if I will vote at all (*shudder*).

[hellosunshine]

[quote=nlbremer;1492983]Sorry--forgot to respond to the elitist thing. I'm not saying his upbringing is elitist or even that he is elitist himself. What I'm saying is that I've heard things coming from the Dems about his education, etc. I think it's other people's comments that have given the impression that he's better because of having a Harvard degree. Does that clarify a bit more? The whole community organizer thing does still baffle me, though.[/quote

If I understand then, mediocrity is something that we should strive for?
If we want our national leaders to be "average" joes, then they wouldn't have a college education at all. This way of thinking reminds me of the problem in our schools in which kids think it is uncool to be an academic or to do well in school. I have to hope that I'm misreading this and you truly don't believe a degree from Harvard is equal to a degree from just anywhere, and the more average a person is, the more qualified he/she is to be Vice-President or President. Granted a degree from any college doesn't guarantee anything, but it shouldn't be discounted, especially from Harvard, which is recognized as the best university in this country in many fields.

About Obama's community service, after graduating from Harvard, he chose to go into the poorest neighborhoods of South Chicago to help improve the quality of life of the people there. He chose not to go into a law firm and bring in the big salary. I don't see what there is to not understand about it.

[AKSheridan]

Sarah - I don't think the candidates education is a "key" issue, I just think it's a relevant factor and shouldn't be dismissed.

[AKSheridan]

If I understand then, mediocrity is something that we should strive for?
If we want our national leaders to be "average" joes, then they wouldn't have a college education at all. This way of thinking reminds me of the problem in our schools in which kids think it is uncool to be an academic or to do well in school. I have to hope that I'm misreading this and you truly don't believe a degree from Harvard is equal to a degree from just anywhere, and the more average a person is, the more qualified he/she is to be Vice-President or President. Granted a degree from any college doesn't guarantee anything, but it shouldn't be discounted, especially from Harvard, which is recognized as the best university in this country in many fields.

About Obama's community service, after graduating from Harvard, he chose to go into the poorest neighborhoods of South Chicago to help improve the quality of life of the people there. He chose not to go into a law firm and bring in the big salary. I don't see what there is to not understand about it.


What she said. ;)

[lunafaerie]

I really don't know if I will vote at all (*shudder*).

Why not vote for a third (fourth, fifth, whatever) party candidate then? Nader is polling about the same he polled in 2004 and in 2000. Barr is polling at around 1 to 2. If you really don't like the two major parties there are other ways you can express your vote. Or write in Ron Paul, he has some major support where I'm from. You are either a Dem, a Green, or you support Ron Paul around here. I haven't seen a McCain sign all campaign season and I felt awash in Bush signs the last two go rounds. Every other pole and car I see has a Paul for President sign.

Just please vote, it's your right!

[nlbremer]

hellosunshine,

No, I'm not saying that we should strive for mediocrity, and I hope you're asking tongue in cheek because I'm trying not to get insulted. lol. Anyway, my point is that not everyone can afford or has the opportunity to go to Harvard. That should not qualify/disqualify a person. End of point.

Next, the community organizer thing--it's like his own made up term? I can appreciate doing inner city work, but why is the crime there INcreasing? Don't think he was too effective??

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

Well, from a previous comment that I made, I don't think his knowledge of US history is that great--saying that FDR was pres during the depression and that he came on TV to address the American people. That just makes him look like a fool. However, that's not like #1 reason or anything...but closely related to that is that I think he's a loose cannon. He speaks before he thinks.

His position on abortion is kind of sketchy. He says he believes life begins at conception and is opposed to partial birth abortion, but is overall for abortion???

He was originally for the Iraq war but changed his mind. I think it's okay to change your mind, but not in the middle of a hard fought war that just needs finished. I don't like the war either, but I think it would be wrong and dangerous for us to just leave now.

He's flipped on same-sex marriage, too. So what does he really believe?

I totally don't agree with his stance on how to deal with the illegal immigration issue.

That's a start...

Here's a good resource: http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/joe_biden.htm

[lunafaerie]

Next, the community organizer thing--it's like his own made up term? I can appreciate doing inner city work, but why is the crime there INcreasing? Don't think he was too effective??

This is exactly what infuriated me about the Rebublican Convention. I am a community organizer, it's not a made up term, my work is important and it irritates me that people discount the work that organizers do.

Furthermore I don't think Obama, or his supporters or his campaign, ever thought it was his only qualification for president. He puts that forward because he believes it speaks about his character. Just like McCain's service in the Military and his POW status speaks about his character. McCain is not qualified because he was a POW, Obama is not qualified because he was a community organizer. They are qualified because of their experience as Senators, their knowledge of domestic and foreign affairs, etc.

As far as crime increasing in Chicago, I think there are probably more factors involved than whether Obama was in fact effective or ineffective.

[Haley64]

Not being snarky Tracey but they have to be very judicious in spreading bullets due to the high concentration of people in any area at any given time....was sort of a similar issue this past summer in Chicago when there was a Mountain Lion (maybe a Cougar - not exactly sure which) running the streets of Chicago.


No problem, they would at least shot it down with a tranquilizer! :) They WOULDN'T just let it run wild.

Ok a little off topic so stick in here with me, this has to do with little hometown girls getting too big for their britches! LOL

I know this one gal who went to school to be an airline ticket agent. Then after technical college she moved back to her home town (300 POP), her mother's BF was mayor of that town and it needed a new city clerk as the last one had held the position for over 20 years and needed to retire.

(city clerks are to write down the minutes of the meeting, not to have voice in the meetings...she was not elected...she was hired...big difference)

The mother's BF pulled strings and got this young gal (19-20) into the city clerks position. She knew nothing of city business except for what he could teach her in the beginning. Sure she sent out the water bills, dog licenses and those types of small city things and she "learned" more through the years. Soon the city was paying for her to go to school (because she demanded it and wrote the expenditures into the books to cover the cost) to learn more things about city referendums and by laws, planning committees and everything from A to Z that were being utilized and enforced in the larger cities with (20,000+ POP)
Pretty soon the whole town wondered why they even needed a mayor anymore since the city clerk was voting and passing new laws in the small town. (yeah they had a very spineless city council and a lot of older people who didn't know how to handle her) Needless to say she made both her voice and actions speak very loudly to the people of this small rural economically depressed town.
She passed laws where you couldn't move in a new mobile home inside of the city limits (keep in mind this town doesn't even have a STOP LIGHT)! She was raised in a mobile home by a single mother who could not afford anything more and now she made it impossible for other young single mothers to have the same right as her mother had.
There is more insight to this whole story then I can convey here and the exact details are too lengthy to explain. Finally after about 7-9 years and finally getting a mayor elected that SHUT her down and of putting up with her very high-handed manners and picking legal fights with everyone in a 40 miles radius because of her misconception that she was always right and everyone else were always wrong. She would never back down or concede her ideas were wrong for the people of the town.
She and her family were run out of their hometown, I am serious there were verbal fights in the street, restaurants and businesses it didn't matter where she turned everyone honestly disliked everything about her and what she had "accomplished" in her race to the top and at the expense of everyone around her.

So if you got this far, the moral of the story is you probably should have a damn good background in public relations and every aspect of your future job and not just fall into it Willy nilly, assuming you are going to learn as you go. I think that Palin is going to find that the britches (VP) are too big to fill and it is going to happen FAST!
Sarah really reminds me of the city clerk in her manners. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, buffalo them with BS or at least get back to them with the right info!

[hellosunshine]

Obama was a community organizer in the mid-1980s after graduation from Harvard, so anything going on now is probably not related to his work. However, he didn't have great success in turning those inner city neighborhoods around. In fact, his work in the poor neighborhoods probably shaped him more than it did the neighborhoods. He continues to be a very strong advocate for public service and has plans for programs to encourage that. You can either appreciate his values in giving up the life of a big time lawyer and value his willingness to take on what would seem to be an impossibly difficult situation that no one else of his stature wanted, or as Palin did, you can dismiss him as a nobody community organizer. I guess how you view his work depends on what values are important to you and what you believe should be our responsibility to each other as a society.

[nlbremer]

Obama was a community organizer in the mid-1980s after graduation from Harvard, so anything going on now is probably not related to his work. However, he didn't have great success in turning those inner city neighborhoods around. In fact, his work in the poor neighborhoods probably shaped him more than it did the neighborhoods. He continues to be a very strong advocate for public service and has plans for programs to encourage that. You can either appreciate his values in giving up the life of a big time lawyer and value his willingness to take on what would seem to be an impossibly difficult situation that no one else of his stature wanted, or as Palin did, you can dismiss him as a nobody community organizer. I guess how you view his work depends on what values are important to you and what you believe should be our responsibility to each other as a society.

Oh, so there's no in between? It's all or nothing? I beg to differ. That's the thing about far right and far left views. I'm in the middle, so I can see things both ways. I'm not discounting his work as a CO. I'm discounting that he was successful at it. Of course I respect someone in the trenches! I respect that he did that. I don't respect that it's now used as a "look what he did" or a basis for "proving" that those actions qualify him for presidency.

I agree with the poster above on the CO vs POW thing. Great point.

[AKSheridan]

I see his work in the community more of a testament of his character rather than concrete qualifications or whether or not he was effective at reducing the crime rate. What's so wrong about proving your character....plenty of people take character into consideration when choosing a president. And nooooooo.....that's NOT the only thing that matters.

[hellosunshine]

What I am saying is that being a community organizer reflects much of Obama's values and his view of society and the good that society can do. It is part of his resume and will influence his policies as President. Not sure what brings about the labeling of far right or far left. I think his choosing to be a community organizer reflects well on the type of person he is. Obviously, others do not think so. We don't need labels about being extremists on one side or the other. Anyway, this is far removed from Palin's qualifications. Her qualifications should stand alone. Trying to discount other candidate's qualifications isn't going to increase her qualifications. If you have a car that's a lemon, pointing out the dents in other cars isn't going to change the lemon.

[AmyM Designs]

What shows "Obama's values" to me is the fact that on national television he could not tell you when a BABY gets human rights and he voted 4 times against the born alive infant protections act. www.bornalivetruth.org His own committee added the clause supporting Roe V Wade so regardless of how badly he'd like to use that as an excuse he simply cannot do so if he wants to be honest.
Show me Obama's qualifications and I'll show you Palins
HAAHAAAAHAHAAHAHA couldn't resist
Don't blame me I voted for Huckabee.
<<<bowing out of the politics for now>>>>

[NellieRose]

What shows "Obama's values" to me is the fact that on national television he could not tell you when a BABY gets human rights and he voted 4 times against the born alive infant protections act. www.bornalivetruth.org (http://www.bornalivetruth.org) His own committee added the clause supporting Roe V Wade so regardless of how badly he'd like to use that as an excuse he simply cannot do so if he wants to be honest.
Show me Obama's qualifications and I'll show you Palins
HAAHAAAAHAHAAHAHA couldn't resist
Don't blame me I voted for Huckabee.
<<<bowing out of the politics for now>>>>


There was a link given in another thread regarding the vote on the born alive issue....you should read the entire package of what he was voting for and not voting for before basing an opinion on a biased website.

[Trina]

I agree. I'm pro-government-staying-out-of-my-womb.

Now that's one way to put it :giggle

[4PeasInMyPod]

Obama was a community organizer in the mid-1980s after graduation from Harvard, so anything going on now is probably not related to his work. However, he didn't have great success in turning those inner city neighborhoods around. In fact, his work in the poor neighborhoods probably shaped him more than it did the neighborhoods. He continues to be a very strong advocate for public service and has plans for programs to encourage that. You can either appreciate his values in giving up the life of a big time lawyer and value his willingness to take on what would seem to be an impossibly difficult situation that no one else of his stature wanted, or as Palin did, you can dismiss him as a nobody community organizer. I guess how you view his work depends on what values are important to you and what you believe should be our responsibility to each other as a society.

Wow! I wish I had your way with words - exactly how I feel!
Lee

[Scorpiosue1102]

Oh, so there's no in between? It's all or nothing? I beg to differ. That's the thing about far right and far left views. I'm in the middle, so I can see things both ways. I'm not discounting his work as a CO. I'm discounting that he was successful at it. Of course I respect someone in the trenches! I respect that he did that. I don't respect that it's now used as a "look what he did" or a basis for "proving" that those actions qualify him for presidency.

I agree with the poster above on the CO vs POW thing. Great point.

I get your opinion, but where are your facts that the crime went up there and how does him helping people get jobs apply to crime? Maybe I don't get it, but I don't see the correlation. The whole community organizer thing was brought up by the Republicans at the convention and it was made out to be a dirty word. Hopefully no one here ever needs a community organizer to get things together like a neighborhood watch, help people out of work with interviewing skills if community organizers are so icky.

[Scorpiosue1102]

I don't know how many times and different ways it can be said:
Palin is running for VICE PRESIDENT. She won't be running the country!!



She will have power even if she never becomes President. She would break ties in the Senate. She would also be an adviser to the President. During 9/11 Cheney was not to be with the President. He was the one was in Washington. He was the one that was in the top level meetings with Condi Rice, etc. while Bush was in the air and on the phone with Cheney. They do have a part of the administration. If she wasn't important in all this stuff there would never be a Vice President to run with the Presidential candidate in the first place.

[Gina.Maria]

I think it is far-fetched to equate readiness to be a head of state with educational achievement. For either party.

The fact that this is a key issue for some scares me, as there are FAR more important things to scrutinize and contemplate, namely economic stabilization and development policies. I'm sorry, but all of the education in the world doesn't prepare you for real-time application and readiness.


I think what's key is the maturity and commitment that is shown by the candidates who completed their education - on-time and with honors. I'd like to remind everyone that sexism is supposed to be a dirty word in this election and yet we're trying to bend over backwards to give credit to the "little lady" for working so hard to get her degree in six years. We, as women, like to say that anything a man can do, we can do better but comparing her path to Biden's is laughable and Obama, who is her generational peer is leaps and bounds ahead of her in both maturity and informed commitment. That she has stooped to denigrating his public service with a sneering smile shows a lack of respect that I find repulsive. Honestly, I think she should keep her claws out of Obama and focus on her counterpart and addressing the public's questions.

So, no, education itself is not the issue. It's what it represents that does it for me.



Next, the community organizer thing--it's like his own made up term? I can appreciate doing inner city work, but why is the crime there INcreasing? Don't think he was too effective??

Community organizers are not police officers and they are not city mayors. They are not charged with personally impacting crime statistics but they work behind the scenes to promote education and employment which has, at its heart, the goal of reducing crime. That it didn't work out in inner-city Chicago surprises me not even a little bit. It's a bit like the little boy with his finger in the dike. Simonetta got it right, though. While it was on his resume, Obama wasn't exactly wearing it as a badge until the RNC tried to make it sound like Kindergarten Cop.

The whole community organizer thing was brought up by the Republicans at the convention and it was made out to be a dirty word. Hopefully no one here ever needs a community organizer to get things together like a neighborhood watch, help people out of work with interviewing skills if community organizers are so icky.

[Barb Speck]

Well - I am in the Obama camp, but I will say that she is an EXCELLENT speaker, she seems to understand how to handle a crowd (based on what I've seen on TV) and I think she is able to bring a zest to the campaign that McCain lacked.


I want to see her in the debate trying to answer direct questions. She flubbed a bit with the Katie Curic interview. She has been protected from the Press but who is going to protect her from the Press later on and why is she being protected from the Press other then everyone is afraid she won't be able to handle questions being flung at her or she'll step in it like so many others do. No other candidate that I can remember was EVER protected from the Press. Yes, the Press maybe real jerks at times but they also ask hard questions. If she continues to shun the press I am not likely to vote for McCain. Of course I'm not sure I am secure with Obama as President either. It's just one of those years in my mind where it comes down to voting for the lesser evil. We haven't had a really good President since Clinton (not that he was an upstanding citizen....LOL) but our Country was strong, our economy was strong and dear old Bush has run us right into the ground. He is going out with the worse rating of any US President in recent times.

[Kater07]

ITA with what your point is here.

I'd also like to add that I don't understand how people can be Pro-Life and support candidates that believe the Iraq War is justified, it's no secret that Iraq didn't attack us, it's no secret that there are no WMDs in Iraq, yet many Pro-Life people, who only vote on the pro-life position, are willing to go along with the Bush administration and now maybe McCain administration where preemptive war is justifiable?

I'm not anti-military and I'm not anti-war, I'm actually a former Navy wife to a husband who's father is an Admiral, I just don't see how you can be Pro-Life and support preemptive war.

I have to say that being pro-life should mean supporting the preservation of life not just being anti-abortion.

100s of thousands of people have been killed because a man and his followers wanted them dead, just like Hitler. Pro-life should mean doing what it takes to preserve the most life - the innocent life. Are 1 evil man and the lives of his followers worth more than 100 thousand lives of men women and children who would simply die because of their faith, sexual orientation, gender, age?

A person doesn't know what they would do when faced with a situation where causing a death might be an extreme possibility.

Imagine, if you will, standing on a platform facing a man who has a gun. That man is going to kill 50, 100, 100thousand people - men, women and children - just because they are not of his preferred religion (or hair/eye color). You have the power to save ALL their lives if you press 1 little button that will cause his death. It's the only way to save them - wage war on this man. Do you think he should die or should he live and be allowed to kill all those people?

THAT is how you can be pro-life and support a preemptive war. I believe we were lied to, and I know Iraq didn't attack us, but we are saving lives. Our men and women are over there preserving life.

[nlbremer]

Back to the CO thing. I was wondering what in the heck a CO was before the convention...long before when I had first heard the term. I think the claim has come from his side as to that experience somehow being relevant to say Senate or Mayoral experience. It just isn't. And in the words of someone previously--a CO isn't a Mayor, and Palin was a Mayor. Her experience as a Mayor outweighs his as a CO based on what you just said.

Why have I never heard the CO term before this election? If the position is so pivotal and vital (not saying it isn't), then why is this not something I had heard of? Were CO's previously called something else and now this is the new term? I'm seriously wondering--not trying to put it down for those who do it.

Crime stats are available all over, and I think it's been pretty wide-spread knowledge that crime in Chicago has increased--at least S. Chicago.

[NellieRose]

Why have I never heard the CO term before this election?

Because most politicians didn't get their career start in the gritty role of hands on helping the people....what he chose to do was an uphill battle. Saying that doesn't discount what anyone does to help others but Obama really took a path that most people don't especially with his education....I am sure he had endless opportunities to be a big-whig attorney on Wall Street and took the opposite end of the spectrum.

Regardless of his politics, it shows character and an ability to think of others and their own well-being before his own. That he was willing to say "no thanks" to a sparkling career with high pay to go help the little guy is impressive, at least in my book it is.

EDIT: Just because Barack Obama was out in the community and working hands on with social issues doesn't mean he is Superman...there is a police force and a governmental system in Chicago and it's their job to control, curb and deter crime. Crime is everywhere but in poor neighborhoods it's on the streets...in wealthy neighborhoods it's in the boardroom. I don't see why the crime stats in Chicago have anything to do with Obama??

[Hummie]

Still waiting....after 8 pages :lol
Did some get deleted....cause I see this post on page 2.

[Scorpiosue1102]

Why have I never heard the CO term before this election? If the position is so pivotal and vital (not saying it isn't), then why is this not something I had heard of? Were CO's previously called something else and now this is the new term? I'm seriously wondering--not trying to put it down for those who do it.

Crime stats are available all over, and I think it's been pretty wide-spread knowledge that crime in Chicago has increased--at least S. Chicago.

I cannot answer why you didn't know what a community organizer is before hand. I had heard of it through our neighborhood watch and from a friend working for a city/philanthropy.

I live outside Chicago so I know all about the crime there. From actually looking up the info murders were down in 1985 when he was a community organizer as compared to 1980 and 1990. In fact, crime statistics have steadily gone down since 1995. As Nellie said, he's not Superman and reaching for a correlation between Obama...the man alone and crime statistics is realllly stretching.




EDIT: Just because Barack Obama was out in the community and working hands on with social issues doesn't mean he is Superman...there is a police force and a governmental system in Chicago and it's their job to control, curb and deter crime. Crime is everywhere but in poor neighborhoods it's on the streets...in wealthy neighborhoods it's in the boardroom. I don't see why the crime stats in Chicago have anything to do with Obama??

Well said.

On another note. Anyone's opinions on the Sarah Palin/Katie Couric interview?

[AKSheridan]

Did some get deleted....cause I see this post on page 2.


I think you can change how many posts you see per page. So the actual page number can be different for everyone.

[lunafaerie]

Back to the CO thing. I was wondering what in the heck a CO was before the convention...long before when I had first heard the term. I think the claim has come from his side as to that experience somehow being relevant to say Senate or Mayoral experience. It just isn't. And in the words of someone previously--a CO isn't a Mayor, and Palin was a Mayor. Her experience as a Mayor outweighs his as a CO based on what you just said.

Why have I never heard the CO term before this election? If the position is so pivotal and vital (not saying it isn't), then why is this not something I had heard of? Were CO's previously called something else and now this is the new term? I'm seriously wondering--not trying to put it down for those who do it.

Crime stats are available all over, and I think it's been pretty wide-spread knowledge that crime in Chicago has increased--at least S. Chicago.

I just have to reiterate, Obama and his campaign did not use his experience as a Community Organizer on his "resume", like he was a mayor. It is meant to give people a sense of his character.

As for why you haven't heard of the term before, I honestly couldn't tell you. I've been hearing the term all my life, but mostly because my whole family has been involved in organizing their communities. A legacy I'm proud of and a definite reason I believe Obama has GREAT CHARACTER! The fact he knows a lot amount domestic policy and foreign policy makes him just as qualified as McCain.

I thought this conversation was supposed to be about Sarah's qualifications?

Want to know what McCain said about Mayor's in the primary election?

"I need no on-the-job training. I wasn't a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn't a governor for a short period of time"

So a person who was a mayor for a short period of time and a governor for a short period of time is good enough for his second-in-command?

Let's talk about that.

[PaulaM]

Actually, that was exactly my thought when I first heard the comparison. :D

Ok I guess I am dumb because I don't get this. Is it meant to be a snarky comment towards what I said?

[vegaschristina]

. . . I knew Harry Truman, ... And Sarah Palin is no Harry Truman. ;) :lol

Some people will understand that. :)This is what I was speaking of when I said that was exactly my thought when I first heard the comparison of Palin and Truman.

It is a take off of the statement made during the 1988 debate as quoted here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator,_you_are_no_Jack_Kennedy).

Quayle: Three times that I've had this question — and I will try to answer it again for you, as clearly as I can, because the question you are asking is, "What kind of qualifications does Dan Quayle have to be president," "What kind of qualifications do I have," and "What would I do in this kind of a situation?" And what would I do in this situation? [...] I have far more experience than many others that sought the office of vice president of this country. I have as much experience in the Congress as Jack Kennedy did when he sought the presidency. I will be prepared to deal with the people in the Bush administration, if that unfortunate event would ever occur.

Judy Woodruff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Woodruff): Senator ?

Bentsen: Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy: I knew Jack Kennedy; Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. [B]Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy. (Prolonged shouts and applause.) What has to be done in a situation like that is to call in the —

Woodruff: Please, please, once again you are only taking time away from your own candidate.

Quayle: That was really uncalled for, Senator. (Shouts and applause.)

Bentsen: You are the one that was making the comparison, Senator — and I'm one who knew him well. And frankly I think you are so far apart in the objectives you choose for your country that I did not think the comparison was well-taken.

It was in no way a snarky comment about what anyone said. It was just a reference to my thinking that Sarah Palin is no Harry Truman.

[txmusicmom]

Goodness-- just a few thoughts-

McCain's Age-

he is my dad's age- and my dad is doing great! He walks at least 2 plus miles everyday and I see no reason he won't live another 10 plus years. ( BTW - he did have quadruple bypass.....no symptoms- just found it on a scan)

I guess our society doesn't value wisdom any more-- I can sure tell you how I have grown since my 20's and 30's...........now in my late 40's- I sure respect and appreciate those over 65.......they have seen a lot. TO ME, McCain's age is an assest- he's been around the block a few times.

Sarah Palin-

somehow I think if they Dems had chosen a relatively unknown woman, this massacre wouldn't be occuring. Sure she needs to be scrutinied- that's part of public office-

What I like about her:

She is a MOM-- talk about having representation in high places!
She has a special needs child-- nothing better to bring that situation more to the forfront- many of you deal with this daily.
She is a mom of multiple children- she understands the dynamics of family life- *she gets it*
She is willing to shake the status quo- ( THis is huge for me) --
will she make mistakes? yes- she's human just like the rest of us
She is from outside of Washington-- just because she's from a small time.......doesn't mean that sector of the population should not be represented- they are myriad small towns across our nation.
She is younger than McCain-- brings different generation perspectives to issues-

Plus- I just like her. I like her spirit- her passion. I identify with her.

Will I always agree with her 100% -- probably not- I don't agree with anybody 100%

Am I for her just because she's a lady-- NOPE!
Am I against Obama because he's biracial- NOPE! I just don't agree with him on issues-

THANK YOU that we live in a nation where we are FREEEEEEEE to disagree..........We have given the people of Iraq that privaledge as well..........Ask Iraqis-- do they want Hussein back with the tryanny? I don't think so. Hind sight is always 20/20....it has been harder and longer --- but is it worth it? Ask the troops-

IN MY DREAMS-- I wish we could go back to those days right after 9/11 when we acted like ONE country.......unified...........on the same page..........so much that happens is totally politics-- and that makes me very sad-- that is why I'm voting McCain/Palin--- they are willing to stand up to their own party for what is right.

I'm done! ;)

[ccubed]

This is what I was speaking of when I said that was exactly my thought when I first heard the comparison of Palin and Truman.

It is a take off of the statement made during the 1988 debate as quoted here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator,_you_are_no_Jack_Kennedy).



It was in no way a snarky comment about what anyone said. It was just a reference to my thinking that Sarah Palin is no Harry Truman.

And to further clarify, Strom Thurmond updated the quote later in the 2000 presidential race when Al Gore invoked the name of Truman in a Truman-like comparison. Thrumond quipped, "Mr. Gore, I knew Harry Truman. I ran against Harry Truman. And Mr. Gore, you're no Harry Truman."

Thurmond did run against Truman in 1948 and Thurmond's Truman quip was just a clever twist on the Bentsen/Quayle original of 1988. Your Truman comparison led a few minds to the same place, so no, not snarky at all - - just a little historical chuckle for those who picked up the reference. :)

[4PeasInMyPod]

On another note. Anyone's opinions on the Sarah Palin/Katie Couric interview?

Well, the "when Putin rears his head" blew me away - this lady doesn't know the meaning of diplomacy!

[txmusicmom]

Katie Couric-- ( to me) had the most sour look on her face the whole time- I was thinking- Goodness I woudn't want to be Sarah Palin......she looked like she already made up her mind.

[ccubed]

McCain's Age-

he is my dad's age- and my dad is doing great! He walks at least 2 plus miles everyday and I see no reason he won't live another 10 plus years. ( BTW - he did have quadruple bypass.....no symptoms- just found it on a scan)

I am sorry, I just had to stop right here and this is off topic but this REALLY hit home. I sincerely hope you don't live to regret those words.

After dealing with the unexpected death of a very healthy person with no prior illness and of a similar age just a couple of months ago, I have to tell you there IS ALWAYS reason to think someone that age won't live another 10 years. I come from a family with longevity genes on both sides. On June 26 my very, otherwise healthy and active uncle in his mid-70s, was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and he was gone by 18 July. My family is DEVASTATED! He was the oldest sibling and only brother of my seven aunts; and we mistakenly assumed, because he had always been really healthy and because his own father had lived to be 98, that my uncle had at the very least another 10 plus years. We were so wrong and the loss of our family patriarch at what we consider to be a young age in our family has been overwhelming. I wish no family to experience such unexpected loss.

And to hit slightly back on topic, while McCain appears to be healthy in many aspects, he has also had problems with recurring skin cancer. We just never know, do we?

[strangejen]

as far as the dad thing -- my dad is 75. (I've mentioned before that we are his "second" family. He had two grown daughters by the time he married my mom.) Dad is still technically healthy and is very active, but . . . gah, how do I say this . . . my mom worked in a nursing home for 10 years, and she's said the past few years that's she's noticed things about dad that are indicative of his body winding down and probably not lasting a whole lot longer.

Do I think dad is going to be around during all of the next 4 years? Honestly, I don't think he is. I hope that he hangs on another 20 years, but we are preparing for the possibility that he will not.

I wish senator McCain all the best, and I hope he hangs on for another 20 years, too. But it's simply a fact of life that a LOT of American men only make it to their 70s.

[Gina.Maria]

On another note. Anyone's opinions on the Sarah Palin/Katie Couric interview?

Oh, goodness! You had to go there, didn't you! :( I'm stunned that this woman was ever even considered. Isn't the population of Alaska heavily weighted toward single men? That might explain how she was elected governor and no one discovered that she's absolutely clueless.

Katie Couric-- ( to me) had the most sour look on her face the whole time- I was thinking- Goodness I woudn't want to be Sarah Palin......she looked like she already made up her mind.

I thought Katie looked pretty open until she started hearing the confused ramblings coming out of Palin. I'd look like I'd bitten into a lemon, too, if I were sitting opposite a person who was so obviously out of her depth.

And how many roads is America going down?:shrug

[txmusicmom]

I do understand your points ;) ;) - I have had my share of folks in their 30's and 40's die as well ( in the course of 2 years- 3 folks close to me died early - ACK!)---

By the way- his mom is 95. ( of course that doesn't necessarily mean he will live until then)-

( Thanks for the KIND conversation-- we can see things different but I appreciate the discussion........)

:)

[txmusicmom]

I

We were so wrong and the loss of our family patriarch at what we consider to be a young age in our family has been overwhelming. I wish no family to experience such unexpected loss.


So sorry for your loss.......When you lose one like that, it just changes everything.

Donna

[Scorpiosue1102]

Oh, goodness! You had to go there, didn't you! :( I'm stunned that this woman was ever even considered. Isn't the population of Alaska heavily weighted toward single men? That might explain how she was elected governor and no one discovered that she's absolutely clueless.




I'm a pot stirrer LOL. Seriously, I love being able to talk to people, even if they oppose my views, regarding the election. We are truly lucky to be able to live in a country where we can voice our opinions.

Now, on the interview....anyone who goes into politics needs to expect getting a grilling, but Katie Couric was not giving her a grilling. I think she wanted Palin to just answer a question. Two times she had to ask a question again. Then when Palin was answering about the bailout it made no sense. I think Katie wasn't looking snarky, just confused.

[ccubed]

So sorry for your loss.......When you lose one like that, it just changes everything.

Thanks for the kind words. It DOES change everything.

I wish senator McCain all the best, and I hope he hangs on for another 20 years, too. But it's simply a fact of life that a LOT of American men only make it to their 70s.

I wish him only the best as well. The presidency has to be the most stressful job in the country. I am always amazed how much I saw Bill Clinton and George Bush age in office. The photos say it all.


I'm stunned that this woman was ever even considered. Isn't the population of Alaska heavily weighted toward single men? That might explain how she was elected governor

Okay, this may not be appreciated by some but it made laugh out loud when I saw her referred to as "Caribou Barbie" on another board. DH said, "What? Does she come with a pickup and shotgun?"

Before anyone gets excited, admit that it is funny play on Malibu Barbie, take a breath and laugh! :)

[Deb M]

[quote=Gina.Maria;1492780]Originally Posted by Gina.Maria http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?p=1491479#post1491479)
over the candidates who barely worked at their education or dragged it out over six years.




You're kidding, right? Everything that's ever been posted on DST and THIS is the most offensive comment you've ever seen?

That was my thought when I read this.

[Deb M]

Oh, and I think she has balls for having a Down's baby in a world who discards them like trash.

I really have to disagree with this comment. I have met many families who do not "discard them like trash." We happen to be one of them.

Personally, I think she has balls taking that child into large groups in his early days. DS children tend to have a lower immunity and can get sick easier. I don't think I would have done that with any child.

[vegaschristina]

DH and I have a question that we've not been able to answer, maybe some of you guys are more knowledgeable in this respect...

What happens if, God forbid, McCain or Obama die before the election? Do their running mates take over then? Do we go back to whomever was in 2nd place of the nomination process?

I hope that we never face this issue, but we were just wondering.

[nlbremer]

I really have to disagree with this comment. I have met many families who do not "discard them like trash." We happen to be one of them.

Personally, I think she has balls taking that child into large groups in his early days. DS children tend to have a lower immunity and can get sick easier. I don't think I would have done that with any child.

My comment obviously doesn't mean that everyone discards them that way, but there is a trend no doubt. It hurts me and angers me.

[kjbstevens]

What happens if, God forbid, McCain or Obama die before the election? Do their running mates take over then? Do we go back to whomever was in 2nd place of the nomination process?

I hope that we never face this issue, but we were just wondering.

Usually they just throw someone else in that the party picks. That's what they did with the guy Obama was running against for his Senate seat when he had to step down. I don't know about with president and you can google around but I'm pretty there isn't anything in the Constitution about it.

*Okay here is some stuff. Each party has their own rules and procedures apparently.
http://www.gvsu.edu/hauenstein/index.cfm?id=601F2C46-E0AF-1AAE-65AE345D3E126D87

[Scorpiosue1102]

DH and I have a question that we've not been able to answer, maybe some of you guys are more knowledgeable in this respect...

What happens if, God forbid, McCain or Obama die before the election? Do their running mates take over then? Do we go back to whomever was in 2nd place of the nomination process?

I hope that we never face this issue, but we were just wondering.

This totally intrigued me. I did find something:

Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.), who chairs the House Subcommittee on Terrorism and has researched the issue since 2004, offered the following answer to the question. [Editor's note: Remember that, in a presidential election, voters actually are voting for electors who will convene later to cast their votes for the president and vice president.] If a presidential candidate dies after the convention, the assumption is that the vice president would take his or her place. However, nothing obligates those electors to follow that assumption.
Technically, the electors are pledged to vote for their party's vice presidential candidate for vice president, not president. If a few electors honored their technical pledge, rather than take the expected action, the party that prevailed in the election would lose in the electoral college and might lose the presidency.
If both the presidential and vice presidential nominees of the party were to die before the election, voters wouldn't know who would become the president if that party's electors won the November election.

[PaulaM]

This is what I was speaking of when I said that was exactly my thought when I first heard the comparison of Palin and Truman.

It is a take off of the statement made during the 1988 debate as quoted here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator,_you_are_no_Jack_Kennedy).



It was in no way a snarky comment about what anyone said. It was just a reference to my thinking that Sarah Palin is no Harry Truman.

Oh ok. I wasn't even comparing Sarah Palin to Harry Truman - only referencing that like she, he didn't have much experience when he was elected VP and ultimately became the president within three months of his term as VP.

My point is that some highly respected individuals in US history - Teddy Roosevelt and Harry Truman didn't have much experience when they took office and they did a bang up job.

[ChristusG]

This thread is soooooo far off on a tangent. :eek

I'll answer the OP's question. Why do I like Palin?

1. Out of any politician I've seen, she seems like a real person. Dont dress up in your fancy clothes, speak in crazy terms, and act all high and mighty. Speak like a real person instead of some political robot! I feel that Palin does this. She gets down on my level, talks like a real person. She seems genuine.

2. She's a mom. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the fact that she involves her family. She talks alot about her kids and her husband. Her children, even little Trig, attend her speeches. I like having my family around me, I bring my babies everywhere and do not leave them at home with a sitter. I like that she involves her family. I can relate to her on the level of a mother.

3. I like what I've read about her faith. My faith is very important to me. I dont know Palin's heart, only my own, but I would like to believe that her faith plays a real part in her life and her decisions.

4. She's a "new" face. I'm tired of Washington big shots with their fake smiles and their empty words. I like that she has not spent her life in Washington. She may be inexperienced, but so what. It's not like our other choice has much more experience or anything. Experience does not necessarily make a person a good leader.

5. I agree with her on the issues. Pro-Life, drilling, hunting (for food, not game). She has great views on educational issues. Supports homeschoolers too. I read through her profile on www.ontheissues.org (http://www.ontheissues.org) and agree with her on most things on there.


In fact......can we just nominate Palin for President and have McCain be the VP?

I had no intention of voting for McCain prior to his VP pick. I was actually probably going to vote third party. But his pick of Palin landed my vote.

[KattyZak]

I like what you wrote Christy.

[Gina.Maria]

Tina Fey is at it again folks! And this time she did it with a near-direct quote from the Katie Couric interview! How ghastly that Palin's response to a question about the Wall street bailout was so convoluted, unintelligent and grasping that it didn't even require much editing by the clever Ms. Fey.

Watch the SNL skit and the clip of Palin's response here (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/27/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-k_n_129956.html).

[4noisyboys]

Tina Fey is at it again folks! And this time she did it with a near-direct quote from the Katie Couric interview! How ghastly that Palin's response to a question about the Wall street bailout was so convoluted, unintelligent and grasping that it didn't even require much editing by the clever Ms. Fey.

Watch the SNL skit and the clip of Palin's response here (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/27/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-k_n_129956.html).

Thanks...I missed it! Absolutely hilarious, and spot on!!

[tcscrapper]

I DVR'd SNL last night, but it was nice to see it on the net before I decided to watch the whole thing...

DH and I were laughing HYSTERICALLY watching the skit this morning!!! T

Thanks for my morning laugh!

[Miss Chris]

This thread is soooooo far off on a tangent. :eek

I'll answer the OP's question. Why do I like Palin?

1. Out of any politician I've seen, she seems like a real person. Dont dress up in your fancy clothes, speak in crazy terms, and act all high and mighty. Speak like a real person instead of some political robot! I feel that Palin does this. She gets down on my level, talks like a real person. She seems genuine.

2. She's a mom. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the fact that she involves her family. She talks alot about her kids and her husband. Her children, even little Trig, attend her speeches. I like having my family around me, I bring my babies everywhere and do not leave them at home with a sitter. I like that she involves her family. I can relate to her on the level of a mother.

3. I like what I've read about her faith. My faith is very important to me. I dont know Palin's heart, only my own, but I would like to believe that her faith plays a real part in her life and her decisions.

4. She's a "new" face. I'm tired of Washington big shots with their fake smiles and their empty words. I like that she has not spent her life in Washington. She may be inexperienced, but so what. It's not like our other choice has much more experience or anything. Experience does not necessarily make a person a good leader.

5. I agree with her on the issues. Pro-Life, drilling, hunting (for food, not game). She has great views on educational issues. Supports homeschoolers too. I read through her profile on www.ontheissues.org (http://www.ontheissues.org) and agree with her on most things on there.


In fact......can we just nominate Palin for President and have McCain be the VP?

I had no intention of voting for McCain prior to his VP pick. I was actually probably going to vote third party. But his pick of Palin landed my vote.

Are you serious? Well, heck then I guess any of us could be president.

[nlbremer]

Are you serious? Well, heck then I guess any of us could be president.

No, she's lying. You guys ask questions and she gives her honest response, and this is how you respond? I don't get it. And, yes, as a matter a fact, a large number of us *could* be president. I'm done with this. It's supposed to be a discussion, not give me your answers, so I can put you down. Everyone has different reasons for liking a particular candidate. Her answers are much better than voting based on race imo...and that goes either way. I just think we could be nicer...politics don't have to divide us. I get so frustrated with that us vs. them...I don't think it was ever meant to be this way. Rant over...carry on.

[kjbstevens]

Are you serious? Well, heck then I guess any of us could be president.
Well become one of the most popular governors in the country and I'm sure many of us here would if you were in the same position. Many of those things she set her apart from the other people in the party and make her a better choice for many people than just another white male Washington type that so many fit the mold for. 2 of them on the same ticket is not good. That's why it was so important they both evened out their ticket. There is a young person and older Washington on both tickets.

[Scorpiosue1102]

I honestly don't know enough about what she stands for. I know that she does not support stem cell research of any kind and while she was mayor of Wasilla she signed the budget where rape victims had to pay for their rape kits (could be sent to their insurance and I believe it was the only city in Alaska to do so). That is enough for me to not support her. My three year old nephew has had a stem cell transplant, my grandfather died of Alzheimer's and my uncle is dying of an auto-immune disease. Stem cell research is a biggie for me.

I'm not saying she's not a great mom, friend, speaker, go getter, etc., but I need more facts on her stances. I think VP debate will answer some of these concerns. For me, it is very frustrating that she has not been given the ability to be heard more by the press and people.

[Miss Chris]

Are you serious? Well, heck then I guess any of us could be president.

OK in going back and re-reading my response it is clear that it seemed snarky. Please blame that on lack of sleep and being grouchy after babysitting a screaming infant all weekend. I did not mean it the way it came off and for that I am sorry. What I really meant was that to me the things listed are qualities you might look for in a friend and are certainly valuable. But, I think that to use those criteria to choose the person who very well could be the leader of our country is too simplistic.

[tcscrapper]

I honestly don't know enough about what she stands for. I know that she does not support stem cell research of any kind and while she was mayor of Wasilla she signed the budget where rape victims had to pay for their rape kits (could be sent to their insurance and I believe it was the only city in Alaska to do so). That is enough for me to not support her. My three year old nephew has had a stem cell transplant, my grandfather died of Alzheimer's and my uncle is dying of an auto-immune disease. Stem cell research is a biggie for me.

I'm not saying she's not a great mom, friend, speaker, go getter, etc., but I need more facts on her stances. I think VP debate will answer some of these concerns. For me, it is very frustrating that she has not been given the ability to be heard more by the press and people.

BRAVO!!!!!!!!! :clap I don't agree with her stance on the rape kit thing (my DH is a police detective and I'm 2 classes away from being a CSI)... there is NO reason a VICTIM should have to PAY MONEY (or should their insurance) to get JUSTICE for a crime!!!!!! I don't see shooting victims or burglary victims paying for the retreival of bullet fragments or fingerprinting powder. GIVE ME A BREAK!

I also support stem cell research. My daughter had a disease attack her kidney's after an MMR vaccination. There is a chance that stem cells could CURE her. My mom has diabetes and they are doing research now into how stem cells could CURE DIABETES.

I also don't agree with her stance on abortion, but I believe in the "stay out of my womb" stance. Let me do what I want to do with MY body. You do what you want with yours.

After watching her interview with Katie Couric, I'm patiently waiting to see her go up against Biden. I may even DVR it since I may need something to laugh about.

Sorry... I'm strictly Obama/Biden here. No way I will vote to put Mr. POW and Ms. Naive into office.

-- off my soap box --

And this is MY opinion. My entitlement as being a FREE person in the US.

[Chreamps]

After her interview with Katie Couric I just don't "get it". In our paper today, the conservative columnist, Kathleen Parker, has even stated that she thought Palin should step down to "put our country first". She makes some good points. Here's a link (http://www.blogher.com/how-do-you-solve-problem-ms-palin-conservative-calls-palin-drop-out) to what she said.

And, yes, Obama/Biden here, too. Found out I'm also a Momocrat (http://momocrats.typepad.com) (LOL).

[ChristusG]

Are you serious? Well, heck then I guess any of us could be president.

Oh, geez, I didnt know that I was answering to you. :headscratch I was responding to the OP's original question of why we think Palin is qualified and why she's getting my vote. Not sure why you responded as you did.

Thank you nlbremer for your response! This thread is definitely not as the OP intended it to be. I cant even respond to the question without being taken seriously.

And to Miss Chris.....yes, pretty much anyone could be president. Just get yourself in the right place, at the right time, work your way into politics, and bingo....your are automatically in the running for president. :duh

[cheribear]

A person doesn't know what they would do when faced with a situation where causing a death might be an extreme possibility.

Imagine, if you will, standing on a platform facing a man who has a gun. That man is going to kill 50, 100, 100thousand people - men, women and children - just because they are not of his preferred religion (or hair/eye color). You have the power to save ALL their lives if you press 1 little button that will cause his death. It's the only way to save them - wage war on this man. Do you think he should die or should he live and be allowed to kill all those people?

THAT is how you can be pro-life and support a preemptive war. I believe we were lied to, and I know Iraq didn't attack us, but we are saving lives. Our men and women are over there preserving life.

Might I refer you to this site: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

"Iraq Body Count is an ongoing human security project which maintains and updates the world’s largest public database (http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/) of violent civilian deaths during and since the 2003 invasion. The count encompasses non-combatants killed by military or paramilitary action and the breakdown in civil security following the invasion."

The count when I last checked was between 87,800 and 95,800. I make a point of checking it on a regular basis because however shocking it is to hear of the losses to the troops over there, it unfortunately pales in comparision to the number of people who are dying every day as a result of the war/occupation.

And, yes - I understand how one can be pro-life and still see why in some cases one life must be taken to save many others. But I don't think your analogy applies to the pre-emptive strike on Iraq and the ongoing war there. Unfortunately, its not as simple as getting rid of one man to save tens of thousands of lives - if it was, then the 'good guys' would get the job done with assassianations and forget about declaring wars on whole countries which are full of people - civillians, not just 'insurgents' and 'terrorists' - none of whom are included in the IBC numbers.

That man is dead and people are still dying, every day. Being pro-life means respecting all life - not mourning the deaths of some while feeling that other lives are just 'collateral damage' in an otherwise worthy cause.

And with that - back to your regularly scheduled Palin discussion. :)

[Scorpiosue1102]

OK in going back and re-reading my response it is clear that it seemed snarky. Please blame that on lack of sleep and being grouchy after babysitting a screaming infant all weekend. I did not mean it the way it came off and for that I am sorry. What I really meant was that to me the things listed are qualities you might look for in a friend and are certainly valuable. But, I think that to use those criteria to choose the person who very well could be the leader of our country is too simplistic.

Oh, geez, I didnt know that I was answering to you. :headscratch I was responding to the OP's original question of why we think Palin is qualified and why she's getting my vote. Not sure why you responded as you did.

Thank you nlbremer for your response! This thread is definitely not as the OP intended it to be. I cant even respond to the question without being taken seriously.

And to Miss Chris.....yes, pretty much anyone could be president. Just get yourself in the right place, at the right time, work your way into politics, and bingo....your are automatically in the running for president. :duh

Chris did apologize 2 posts before your reply.

[Haley64]

After her interview with Katie Couric I just don't "get it". In our paper today, the conservative columnist, Kathleen Parker, has even stated that she thought Palin should step down to "put our country first". She makes some good points. Here's a link (http://www.blogher.com/how-do-you-solve-problem-ms-palin-conservative-calls-palin-drop-out) to what she said.

And, yes, Obama/Biden here, too. Found out I'm also a Momocrat (http://momocrats.typepad.com) (LOL).

And after listening to that interview (forgive me for what I am about to say) we wondered how her sex ed talk went with her pregnant daughter? :spin

What I really meant was that to me the things listed are qualities you might look for in a friend and are certainly valuable. But, I think that to use those criteria to choose the person who very well could be the leader of our country is too simplistic.

ITA with your insight about qualities as friend, I also do not want Betty Crocker or June Cleaver as the VP.

[Gina.Maria]

And after listening to that interview (forgive me for what I am about to say) we wondered how her sex ed talk went with her pregnant daughter? :spin



ITA with your insight about qualities as friend, I also do not want Betty Crocker or June Cleaver as the VP.

:word


"We're just ill about this, Bristol, your Dad and me... We're saying, "Hey! Why is she getting some and not me?" You're supposed to know, ya know, to keep his Freddie out of your Fannie. It's all about creation, now." (This is parody, of course, not a direct quote.)

[Haley64]

:word


"We're just ill about this, Bristol, your Dad and me... We're saying, "Hey! Why is she getting some and not me?" You're supposed to know, ya know, to keep his Freddie out of your Fannie. It's all about creation, now." (This is parody, of course, not a direct quote.)

OMG Spot on!

[grumblefluff]

I'm going with Obama, even though I was waffling for awhile until McCain picked Palin.

Frankly, Obama scares me a little bit less than she does.

She comes off as really eager to please, but with nothing to back it up, and sometimes it seems like she just makes stuff up if she has no facts (anyone see the interview with Katie Couric regarding foreign policy?) In addition, I don't feel that running a family qualifies you to run a country, especially one that is a mess like ours is right now, and I don't believe she would have what it takes to step up if she needed to.
I'm also concerned that she doesn't realize that her pregnant teen daughter is a prime example of why abstinence-only programs for sex-ed don't work. I think common sense is a good thing to have and I feel that shows a lack thereof.
Really, I just feel that these scary times call for more leadership ability than what she's got to offer.

[tcscrapper]

"We're just ill about this, Bristol, your Dad and me... We're saying, "Hey! Why is she getting some and not me?" You're supposed to know, ya know, to keep his Freddie out of your Fannie. It's all about creation, now." (This is parody, of course, not a direct quote.)


:rofl:highfive:lol3:giggle:rofl2:duh

Sorry for all the Smilies... there are no amount of words for my laughter right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[leslie_537]

Hmmm...does FOX news know this? :lol

A recent poll done on voters majority said fox news was the most unbiased news organization. Just most liberal people don't see it because the rest of the news is so far left it makes someone in the middle look biased to the right.

[Trina]

:word


"We're just ill about this, Bristol, your Dad and me... We're saying, "Hey! Why is she getting some and not me?" You're supposed to know, ya know, to keep his Freddie out of your Fannie. It's all about creation, now." (This is parody, of course, not a direct quote.)

:blush Parody, perhaps, but like Haley said, spot on. You just forgot to mention "job creation" :p because that's what EVERYTHING comes down to, ya know?

[Trina]

sometimes it seems like she just makes stuff up if she has no facts (anyone see the interview with Katie Couric regarding foreign policy?)

Exactly :agree Like Gina.Marie (?) said, I'm pretty sure *I* could have done a better job on that interview...and I don't know anything about politics :shrug

[mama_pajama]

A recent poll done on voters majority said fox news was the most unbiased news organization. Just most liberal people don't see it because the rest of the news is so far left it makes someone in the middle look biased to the right.

I am very much a moderate, and I couldn't disagree more. Fox news makes me cringe, they're so conservative and pro-Republican. Who did this poll and who did they ask? I'm thinking it probably wasn't impartial.

[Haley64]

Exactly :agree Like Gina.Marie (?) said, I'm pretty sure *I* could have done a better job on that interview...and I don't know anything about politics :shrug

I thought the same thing, that I could have spewed that nonsense with the little knowledge I have!
Anyone read my post about if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, buffalo them with BS! (or at least confuse the $hit out them!) :spin

[cheribear]

Was this a poll of FOX-viewing voters? I just find that hard to believe - it seems to me that your 'so far left' news organizations actually are on the right of my scale.

I'm right-leaning in Canada - but identify more with your 'left' because your right is way too far right for me. :lol: I absolutely can't stomach watching FOX news, and the other networks don't seem left-leaning to me as their coverage/perspective on the same events can often be quite different from what we get here. I wouldn't describe our news as a 'far left' perspective by any means - but even your 'left-leaning' media will always report the news that the American people want to hear, and as a general rule, that is more right than what I'm used to.

Does that make any sense at all?

[JCSimon]

I am very much a moderate, and I couldn't disagree more. Fox news makes me cringe, they're so conservative and pro-Republican. Who did this poll and who did they ask? I'm thinking it probably wasn't impartial.

You know, I used to watch Fox, in addition to several other stations, just to make sure I was getting as many sides of the story as I could. I stopped when I realized how often they actually just made stuff up when the "real" news didn't happen to fit their worldview. Fox & Friends, and Bill O'Reilly are the worst......lots of outright lies and such arrogance and condesention, they literally make me feel ill.

[cheribear]

You know, I used to watch Fox, in addition to several other stations, just to make sure I was getting as many sides of the story as I could. I stopped when I realized how often they actually just made stuff up when the "real" news didn't happen to fit their worldview. Fox & Friends, and Bill O'Reilly are the worst......lots of outright lies and such arrogance and condesention, they literally make me feel ill.

No kidding! I'm pretty sure I'd trust Al Jazeera to offer me a more fair and balanced world view than FOX.