Interesting: From Thatcher to Palin

[Scorpiosue1102]

This came from Andrew Sullivan's, a self proclaimed conservative, website The Daily Dish. He also writes for The Atlantic. It has a readers comment and then what he has to say about it.

A reader chimes in:I just want to ask: can anyone, anyone, imagine Condoleeza Rice or Margaret Thatcher or even Hillary Clinton for God's sake, winking at the nation and/or being coquettish in any national format?
Yeah. Just checking.
The damage John McCain's baldfaced sexism and Sarah Palin's cocktail waitress act have done to American feminism has yet to be fully assessed. Palin has actually forced me to realize that, however much I despise Hillary Clinton, I have never doubted her professionalism and capacity to fight and win on her own terms in a male-dominated world by meeting and exceeding the standards of any male counterpart. (It was not her fault she ran against the political genius of his generation.) I cannot even imagine her winking and flirting on stage, although the New Hampshire tears were a bit of a stunt.
Thatcher remains the standard. She was not above using feminine wiles in charming individuals; but in public, in debate, in the Commons, she beat men at their own game, using nothing but knowledge, forensics, expertise, argument and courage.
From Thatcher to Palin is not a slide downwards for conservative women. It's a free-fall. And McCain did it.




So what do you think?


I tend to agree. If it was me, I would want to be known for what I stand for and know and fight with that.

[JCSimon]

ITA....I think I said basically this in a different thread. The McCain campaign has raised sexism to a high art....and Palin has brought feminism to a new low.

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

Spot-on. The re=plays of that wink have been further nauseating me the past few days.

[cassie-in-texas]

While I totally agree with what he wrote, I'm amazed that he's a self-proclaimed conservative. I read a lot of his other posts, and he didn't strike me as conservative. Not-hugely liberal, but certainly not conservative.

[lunafaerie]

Very insightful.

[lunafaerie]

While I totally agree with what he wrote, I'm amazed that he's a self-proclaimed conservative. I read a lot of his other posts, and he didn't strike me as conservative. Not-hugely liberal, but certainly not conservative.

Andrew Sullivan is a favorite on Bill Maher's show. I've seen him there a couple times. I'd consider him a fiscal or libertarian conservative more in line with British conservatism than US conservatism. He's pretty liberal on social issues.

[Scorpiosue1102]

While I totally agree with what he wrote, I'm amazed that he's a self-proclaimed conservative. I read a lot of his other posts, and he didn't strike me as conservative. Not-hugely liberal, but certainly not conservative.

I know. He's actually a Libertarian Conservative. He backed Bush in 2000, Kerry in 2004, Obama for the Democrats and Ron Paul for the Republicans.

[4noisyboys]

Spot-on. The re=plays of that wink have been further nauseating me the past few days.

;););):lol Ditto Miki!!

[Gina.Maria]

It's why Germans have been asking us why she's even in the running. They're stunned by the choice of Palin. Keep in mind, their leader is Angela Merkel, so they know what good female leadership looks like.

Every time I hear her talk I just keep thinking, "There's nothing there." Each time she states a definitive opinion (which is actually quite rare unless it's about traditional Republican values) she tends to side with Obama or Bush, not McCain, indicating a significant problem in her ability to grasp her own ticket's substance.

I'm embarrassed that my country has such a pitiful choice. I'd certainly respect the Republican ticket more if there were candidates with untarnished character and unquestioned capability.

[kjbstevens]

I actually don't see it like that at all. I think it's good and refreshing for all women to be able to live their life how they want and live by their set of rules no matter how anyone views them. I find her the ultimate feminist by not having a silver spoon, still having her kids, still married, doing the hobbies she likes, moving up the ladder with the jobs she wants, and still not having to change herself to fit in as great. This isn't even arguing qualifications but not all people are really inspired by stone cold, sexless, unpersonable political women like have been around. They try to hard to fit in with the men. Forget that. It shows you don't have to put on a big act and still have success in life. That much more what I'd want my girls to grow up like. I'm not even trying to get into the VP thing but I personally like the change.

[Scorpiosue1102]

I'm embarrassed that my country has such a pitiful choice. I'd certainly respect the Republican ticket more if there were candidates with untarnished character and unquestioned capability.


I wonder what goes through the heads of Madeline Albright, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Ruth Bader Ginsburg when they see the winking and such. Such strong women who have had to fight the boys network to get where they are.

[Gina.Maria]

I'm sure they feel as though their efforts were wasted when the next generation just sweeps in without a thought bubble to her credit and tried to flirt her way into the second highest office in the U.S. Come on! That's got "Hooter's" waitress written all over it! "Wanna shake with them fries?" ::wink,wink::

[NellieRose]

This is a direct copy and paste of a post (http://www.digishoptalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=149080&page=14) I made in another thread but it seems fitting enough for this one.

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I did see that....it's interesting that Obama got slammed for calling McCain "John" as it was deemed disrespectful, McCain is his senior, this is a formal setting, yadda, yadda, yadda. Now, here comes Palin and she is as informal as could be calling Biden by his first name and using all her little "joe six-pack" catch phrases...it's neither appealing nor reassuring....oh and the wrinkling of the nose and that wink to the camera/crowd at the end. My word, in the work place that could be a sexual harassment/discrimination suit waiting to happen.

Sorry but, you can't have your cake and eat it to. If you want to be taken seriously then stop playing the cutesy & sassy girl when you have nothing other than your memorized script to rely. When you play this way you have no leg to stand on when it comes to "sexism". :spin

What I can't get my head around is that if you align with the McCain/Palin ticket are you not, at the very least, a little insulted, when she plays down to the voters with this so-called "folksy" nonsense. Do you really want someone running the country to be just like your next door neighbor?? I certainly don't and I am sure they don't want me running the country either. Isn't there some sort of standard of formality applied to such an important position anymore? Or, is that only being reserved for the Democrats now?

Man, is it too much to even ask for "business casual" as opposed to informal????? :D

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[kjbstevens]

I'm sure they feel as though their efforts were wasted when the next generation just sweeps in without a thought bubble to her credit and tried to flirt her way into the second highest office in the U.S. Come on! That's got "Hooter's" waitress written all over it! "Wanna shake with them fries?" ::wink,wink::

I really think this is the type of attitude that makes women retreat to their shells and not be themselves. She don't dress revealing and most people in the US have some type of accent. Women will never be treated as real equals until all people are able to accept us for how we really act. Obama acts casual too.

[Scorpiosue1102]

Here's a different take. Do we honestly think that Sarah Palin would do the folksy and winking if she were talking to Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany or Executive President Michelle Bachelet Jeria of Chile?

[NellieRose]

I wonder what goes through the heads of Madeline Albright, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Ruth Bader Ginsburg when they see the winking and such. Such strong women who have had to fight the boys network to get where they are.

Christie Todd-Whitman, Republican, was once Governor of NJ as well and went on to be the Administrator of the EPA...I can not even imagine what runs through her mind as she sees all of this unfold. :headscratch:shrug:think:cry

This whole Palin playing the sassy & cutesy woman thing does more to discredit all the good done by the women's rights movement than anything we have seen yet....of course, this is just my opinion.

[Gina.Maria]

A wink is not casual. It's flirtatious, no matter how you look at it.

[NellieRose]

A wink is not casual. It's flirtatious, no matter how you look at it.

I am in total agreement. My "casual" remark was in regard to her catch-phrases, in case there was any confusion.

A VP candidate "flirting" with the voters is appalling and furthers the idea that she is only in place to lead on, toy or seduce certain voters. Disgusting.

As a woman, I am disgusted and completely turned of by her actions...imagine a female CEO at a Fortune 500 company doing such a thing!!!! :eek

[NellieRose]

Women will never be treated as real equals until all people are able to accept us for how we really act. Obama acts casual too.

I know plenty of women who have held all sorts of jobs. The only time any one of them would be caught dead wrinkling their noses, acting cutesy and winking in that fashion was when they were covered in coconut oil and working a brass pole at a gentlemen's club.

[kjbstevens]

Every single place you go here then you are going to be offended. I get winks and stuff like that from everyone from the greeter at Walmart to the people in gov't here telling us good jobs on programs we'd done for them. I really don't want to see any of them on a pole though. Bad mental images. LOL Like I've said before I'm not a city person. I can see what you are saying but women that act all cold just don't do anything whatsoever inspirational at all for me. There are weirdos like me out there I'm sure.

[4noisyboys]

I know plenty of women who have held all sorts of jobs. The only time any one of them would be caught dead wrinkling their noses, acting cutesy and winking in that fashion was when they were covered in coconut oil and working a brass pole at a gentlemen's club.


It truly is disgusting. My husband, sons, and brother in laws were all equally disgusted.

I could use these tactics in my job, and there are some that do. I have never, nor will I ever wrinkle my nose, wink, or flirt with men to get something. The disgusting thing is, that there are men that like it. My husband would turn and walk out if someone were to do that to him. Thankfully, he can see right through that type of a person. Unfortunately, there are too many men whose ego's are stroked by that type of behavior.

[Gina.Maria]

I am in total agreement. My "casual" remark was in regard to her catch-phrases, in case there was any confusion.

Sorry, Nellie, I wasn't responding to you. My slow connection makes it difficult to keep up and the conversation moves on before I can hit the send button. I was responding to the comment that Obama appears casual sometimes.

[Natalie]

It would be wonderful if we could be excited and encouraged that a woman might be elected VP in the upcoming election, but she projects herself in such a way that is not even remotely presidential. There's folksy and congenial, like Reagan, and then there's ...Palin. Her positions on many key issues are counter to my own, but the image she projects does not inspire confidence. She's cocky and self-assured, but there's not a lot of substance. I don't think this is a good combination.

As to the OP, I agree.

[Gina.Maria]

Every single place you go here then you are going to be offended. I get winks and stuff like that from everyone from the greeter at Walmart to the people in gov't here telling us good jobs on programs we'd done for them. I really don't want to see any of them on a pole though. Bad mental images. LOL Like I've said before I'm not a city person. I can see what you are saying but women that act all cold just don't do anything whatsoever inspirational at all for me. There are weirdos like me out there I'm sure.

A wink from an old guy at WalMart or any wink that's from one person to another person who already have an existing relationship (assuming it's somewhat casual) is entirely different from the candidate for VPOTUS winking at the entire population of the USA (She did say she was speaking "directly to you, America.") Her wink was not directed at Gwen, or even at Joe.

[Kazadoodle]

I actually don't see it like that at all. I think it's good and refreshing for all women to be able to live their life how they want and live by their set of rules no matter how anyone views them. I find her the ultimate feminist by not having a silver spoon, still having her kids, still married, doing the hobbies she likes, moving up the ladder with the jobs she wants, and still not having to change herself to fit in as great.

With due respect, there are a lot of women in politics who manage to do all of this, without lowering the tone, in the way that Ms Palin does. She should take a good look a both Indira Ghandi and Margaret Thatcher. Both managed to remain feminine, without resorting to cheap tricks.

[[michele]]

I think what bothers me about the "folksy" persona I was subjected to during the VP debates is that it didn't seem to be there during her Gubernatorial debate (at least the clips I watched on youtube).

:) Michele

[movefearlessly]

I know plenty of women who have held all sorts of jobs. The only time any one of them would be caught dead wrinkling their noses, acting cutesy and winking in that fashion was when they were covered in coconut oil and working a brass pole at a gentlemen's club.

excuse me. i wrinkle my nose all the time. i've been called cute on occasion, and i have absolutely used my feminine appeal to gain advantage if i deemed it necessary. i've also outrun men damn near twice my size, done more pushups than football players, and proven to a squadron of my peers that i deserved a space at a military academy as much if not more than they did. i've never covered myself in coconut oil - not even on a beach - and never been inside a gentleman's club.

attitudes like this are part of the reason so many women feel compelled to lie about who and what they are. we aren't men - we're different, and it isn't bad or wrong. if she's comfortable with herself, why denigrate her because she doesn't fit a mold or confirm your image of a successful female?

[Scorpiosue1102]

I just cannot see Condaleeza Rice or Madeline Albright winking to Gordon Brown or Syria's Assad, etc. I don't think they would have been taken very serious.

[Joy Kuoha]

I know plenty of women who have held all sorts of jobs. The only time any one of them would be caught dead wrinkling their noses, acting cutesy and winking in that fashion was when they were covered in coconut oil and working a brass pole at a gentlemen's club.

You must know lots of boring women... ;)

Friendly and real personalities are an asset, too.

[Scorpiosue1102]

Speaking of Madeline Albright. I was just tooling around The Huffington Post, not bad for some stuff, but here is an article about a Sarah Palin misquoting Madeline Albright. Albright has some interesting things to say.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/05/palin-misquotes-albright_n_131967.html

[Kim Mauch]

ITA....I think I said basically this in a different thread. The McCain campaign has raised sexism to a high art....and Palin has brought feminism to a new low.

Well put. And very sad, isn't it?

[DirtyFeetDesigns (heb1976)]

excuse me. i wrinkle my nose all the time. i've been called cute on occasion, and i have absolutely used my feminine appeal to gain advantage if i deemed it necessary. i've also outrun men damn near twice my size, done more pushups than football players, and proven to a squadron of my peers that i deserved a space at a military academy as much if not more than they did. i've never covered myself in coconut oil - not even on a beach - and never been inside a gentleman's club.

attitudes like this are part of the reason so many women feel compelled to lie about who and what they are. we aren't men - we're different, and it isn't bad or wrong. if she's comfortable with herself, why denigrate her because she doesn't fit a mold or confirm your image of a successful female?


I agree with you 100%. I am so sick of these political figures acting as if they are either better or just downright robotic. It is very nice to see someone like her up there with the big dogs and being who she is. I think that is alot of what scares people. She is too much like the average joe. I personally think it is a breath of fresh air.

[Natalie]

excuse me. i wrinkle my nose all the time. i've been called cute on occasion, and i have absolutely used my feminine appeal to gain advantage if i deemed it necessary. i've also outrun men damn near twice my size, done more pushups than football players, and proven to a squadron of my peers that i deserved a space at a military academy as much if not more than they did. i've never covered myself in coconut oil - not even on a beach - and never been inside a gentleman's club.

attitudes like this are part of the reason so many women feel compelled to lie about who and what they are. we aren't men - we're different, and it isn't bad or wrong. if she's comfortable with herself, why denigrate her because she doesn't fit a mold or confirm your image of a successful female?

There is a time and place for the cutesie stuff, but in a debate for Vice Presidential debate? It doesn't belong there, and to say that women are denigrating her b/c she didn't comport herself in a professional and stately manner is to sidestep the issue entirely. My female AF Academy friend would agree that such behavior wouldn't be appropriate in an official duty capacity. What you do in your home or with your buddies is different, but in this instance, I imagine that most folks would have liked to see someone who was composed and professional. There's a world of difference between being a bit folksy, and acting the way she did. And I'd expect that a man would be advised in the way - to find a balance between dignified and personable. I don't think she managed the former at all, and the emphasis she gave to the latter makes it hard to take her seriously.

[Kazadoodle]

attitudes like this are part of the reason so many women feel compelled to lie about who and what they are. we aren't men - we're different, and it isn't bad or wrong. if she's comfortable with herself, why denigrate her because she doesn't fit a mold or confirm your image of a successful female?

Because if it were a man doing it, he would be slammed so hard for being sexist, you wouldn't see this 'toes' for dust. Just because she's a woman, doesn't make it right either. As Natalie pointed out very eloquently, there is a time and a place. I've seen informal interviews with Thatcher during her time as Prime Minister where she was positively flirtatious, and that's okay, it was informal, she wasn't being the Prime Minister, so to speak. However, she never behaved like that when she was being Prime Minister. I hope that makes sense. I've tried to phrase this several different ways and I still sound stupid, LOL.

[lunafaerie]

Speaking of Madeline Albright. I was just tooling around The Huffington Post, not bad for some stuff, but here is an article about a Sarah Palin misquoting Madeline Albright. Albright has some interesting things to say.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/05/palin-misquotes-albright_n_131967.html

Um, I just about threw up and then called a bunch of friends and my Mom and we all had a nice little talk about it. I'm just speechless really. The fact she got the quote wrong to begin with is just icing on the cake. I think we might need a special thread for that whopper, but I think I'm going to shut off the internet and work on some layouts when I'm not so PO'd.

[Kazadoodle]

Um, I just about threw up and then called a bunch of friends and my Mom and we all had a nice little talk about it. I'm just speechless really. The fact she got the quote wrong to begin with is just icing on the cake. I think we might need a special thread for that whopper, but I think I'm going to shut off the internet and work on some layouts when I'm not so PO'd.

The best comment in the section was the one that said - so that's what Palin reads, coffee cups. I think that sums it up nicely (even though, in fact, she misread it, but you know what I mean)

[tsaria]

so that's what Palin reads, coffee cups.


:lol That is hilarious!

[Gina.Maria]

Apparently, this woman thinks a vagina qualifies her for the office of VPOTUS.

[AKSheridan]

I agree with you 100%. I am so sick of these political figures acting as if they are either better or just downright robotic. It is very nice to see someone like her up there with the big dogs and being who she is. I think that is alot of what scares people. She is too much like the average joe. I personally think it is a breath of fresh air.

I can see why people like her for her "average-joe" qualities, but I don't see much else there. I agree it's a breath of fresh air, but I'm looking for a little more than that to lead my country. In fact, I'd like to see even better than "above-averge!"

I also find the eye-winking and cutesy thing to be appauling.

And I wish I could respond to her after her misquote about women supporting other women... Ms. Palin (or McCain)...exactly what have you done, or plan to do to support women?? I believe Obama and Biden win on that one.

[NellieRose]

excuse me. i wrinkle my nose all the time. i've been called cute on occasion, and i have absolutely used my feminine appeal to gain advantage if i deemed it necessary. i've also outrun men damn near twice my size, done more pushups than football players, and proven to a squadron of my peers that i deserved a space at a military academy as much if not more than they did. i've never covered myself in coconut oil - not even on a beach - and never been inside a gentleman's club.

attitudes like this are part of the reason so many women feel compelled to lie about who and what they are. we aren't men - we're different, and it isn't bad or wrong. if she's comfortable with herself, why denigrate her because she doesn't fit a mold or confirm your image of a successful female?


No, excuse me, because, nobody is talking about you personally...but, since you brought it up and would like to make this about you.....if you are willing to do whatever it takes to get ahead then it would be no wonder you support the McCain campaign as this is clearly their M.O..

If you were vying for a position where the qualifications were to be the fastest and strongest and you could outrun and out lift everyone else in the running for the position well, then, that position should be yours. You say you have used your "feminine appeal" to get ahead. Do you realize that sets women, as a whole, back? This type of behavior furthers the idea that women get where they do b/c someone threw them a bone and they didn't earn it b/c they were the best choice or deserving.

Having self-esteem, a good education and resume is all I need to get the positions I obtain....it also provides a level of respect from co-workers when they know I got where I am because I have the chops to back it up & deserve to be there. My dignity would keep me from taking any position that comes my way b/c one of the good 'ole boys liked the shake of my ass or anything remotely related to sexuality.

There is a time and a place for sexuality and it's not in public office nor the boardroom.

[NellieRose]

You must know lots of boring women... ;)

Friendly and real personalities are an asset, too.

:lol Yes, I do have quite a colorful social circle. :wub

Friendly and real personalities are the best assets but flirtation is neither of those things when asking someone to hire you and for the Vice President of the United States. ;)

[NellieRose]

Speaking of Madeline Albright. I was just tooling around The Huffington Post, not bad for some stuff, but here is an article about a Sarah Palin misquoting Madeline Albright. Albright has some interesting things to say.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/05/palin-misquotes-albright_n_131967.html

This raises a whole other question....is that what the cup actually said or is it she can't read? :p

Or, is this her *taking the truth and turning into her own reality* to paraphrase an oft provocative and not well-informed poster? :rofl2

[vegaschristina]

Having self-esteem, a good education and resume is all I need to get the positions I obtain....it also provides a level of respect from co-workers when they know I got where I am because I have the chops to back it up & deserve to be there. My dignity would keep me from taking any position that comes my way b/c one of the good 'ole boys liked the shake of my ass or anything remotely related to sexuality.

There is a time and a place for sexuality and it's not in public office nor the boardroom.

Exactly!

[tsaria]

Apparently, this woman thinks a vagina qualifies her for the office of VPOTUS.

:lol*insert witty Clinton joke here*:lol

[movefearlessly]

No, excuse me, because, nobody is talking about you personally...but, since you brought it up and would like to make this about you.....if you are willing to do whatever it takes to get ahead then it would be no wonder you support the McCain campaign as this is clearly their M.O..

If you were vying for a position where the qualifications were to be the fastest and strongest and you could outrun and out lift everyone else in the running for the position well, then, that position should be yours. You say you have used your "feminine appeal" to get ahead. Do you realize that sets women, as a whole, back? This type of behavior furthers the idea that women get where they do b/c someone threw them a bone and they didn't earn it b/c they were the best choice or deserving.

Having self-esteem, a good education and resume is all I need to get the positions I obtain....it also provides a level of respect from co-workers when they know I got where I am because I have the chops to back it up & deserve to be there. My dignity would keep me from taking any position that comes my way b/c one of the good 'ole boys liked the shake of my ass or anything remotely related to sexuality.

There is a time and a place for sexuality and it's not in public office nor the boardroom.

if it were a perfect world and all things were equal, i'd agree with you 100% it isn't. it will be a long time before it will be. i saw nothing sexual in anything she did - she tried to appear a certain way, absolutely, and quite obviously is suffering backlash as a result. the hard fact: someone was going to criticize her, subject her every word, motion, mannerism to such painful scrutiny that i applaud her willingness to be there at all. i don't have to agree with a single word she said to feel a certain empathy for her right now. the whole thing gets uglier by the day.

good for you that you've never had to compromise one of your principles to put food on the table. a lot of people aren't so fortunate.

[NellieRose]

good for you that you've never had to compromise one of your principles to put food on the table. a lot of people aren't so fortunate.

Roxanna, if this is in fact, part of or in whole why you ever had to use your "feminine appeal" as you had stated then this becomes an entirely other ball of wax. If you have ever had to compromise any of your princples to put food on your table then I am truly sorry you have ever had to have such an experience.

But, as for Sarah Palin, her flirtation isn't in an effort to put food on her table, she is running for Vice President of the United States...her survival and family's well-being isn't dependent on getting this job.

No woman should ever have to compromise herself based on sexuality in order to survive or provide for her family, especially not in this day and age. Women have had to fight hard to get we have and that is exactly why I find Palin's cutesy/sassy/flirtation such a turn off, deplorable and setting women back on fairness and equality in the workplace.

[movefearlessly]

Roxanna, if this is in fact, part of or in whole why you ever had to use your "feminine appeal" as you had stated then this becomes an entirely other ball of wax. If you have ever had to compromise any of your princples to put food on your table then I am truly sorry you have ever had to have such an experience.

But, as for Sarah Palin, her flirtation isn't in an effort to put food on her table, she is running for Vice President of the United States...her survival and family's well-being isn't dependent on getting this job.

No woman should ever have to compromise herself based on sexuality in order to survive or provide for her family, especially not in this day and age. Women have had to fight hard to get we have and that is exactly why I find Palin's cutesy/sassy/flirtation such a turn off, deplorable and setting women back on fairness and equality in the workplace.

i agree with your 3rd paragraph completely. i simply don't think she intended to be flirtatious. i would imagine that everyone in her circle encouraged her to be as personable as possible, and her life experience has taught her that people respond favorably to her when she engages them in such a way. i think things would have gone far worse for her had she tried on a different persona - it would've been obvious that she was "putting on airs," and she'd get slammed for being pretentious and condescending.

it's frustrating. it feels like we've all come to a point where one side just attacks the other, doing their best to tear each other apart, and we're being swept along with them. nothing will ever be accomplished.

[Glueless Media]

it's frustrating. it feels like we've all come to a point where one side just attacks the other, doing their best to tear each other apart, and we're being swept along with them. nothing will ever be accomplished

[Gina.Maria]

i agree with your 3rd paragraph completely. i simply don't think she intended to be flirtatious. i would imagine that everyone in her circle encouraged her to be as personable as possible, and her life experience has taught her that people respond favorably to her when she engages them in such a way. i think things would have gone far worse for her had she tried on a different persona - it would've been obvious that she was "putting on airs," and she'd get slammed for being pretentious and condescending.

it's frustrating. it feels like we've all come to a point where one side just attacks the other, doing their best to tear each other apart, and we're being swept along with them. nothing will ever be accomplished.

And her type of behavior probably plays very well in Alaska where the men outnumber the women. However, if she has the "executive experience" that everyone seems to think she does, she would know that you don't behave in a flirtateous manner when addressing the world. And, yes, the World was watching.