Love to hear from Conservative gals

[tammy1999]

I would love to hear from all you conservative gals and how you think the election is going.

[kjbstevens]

I wish they'd keep the name calling out. If they'd stick to showing how much Obama's plans really cost and how they are never going to be implemented because of the current problems they'd be much better off.

[diannerigdon]

I'm disgusted with, oh, just about everyone. Sigh. From the attacks between the candidates to the biased so-called "news" to the people who keep pretending that they can discuss politics respectfully but obviously can NOT. Can't wait until it's over. I am most disappointed over how everyone (even here) seems to think it's okay to be disrespectful of the "other side". It's fabulous to be passionate, but naive to think your point of view is more "right" just because it's yours and therefore grants you special privileges to be disrespectful of people who hold a different opinion.

Honestly I am definitely conservative, but I am not thrilled with my choices and at this point I prefer to look the other way. I have been through my fair share of presidential elections and at this point in the game I am rarely pleased with any campaign or candidate. It just gets too ugly and quits being about the issues. I am not so naive that I think anyone is a "perfect" candidate (or person, for that matter), but nonetheless I am not enamored of our political process, as it exists. I will continue to vote conservative, even though it doesn't really have the same meaning for everyone, because it seems to fit more closely with my world view, which I seek to protect and preserve.

[Hollie]

Well, I think I fall more along the lines of a conservative independant, but I'll answer anyhow:)

I'm actually surprised that McCain has done as well as he has in the polls. I have been saying for a long time now, that the Dems have this one "in the bag" so to speak. So it was interesting to see that McCain was so close in the polls--actually about even with Obama at one point. I was not expecting that. But in the end, I still think the Dems will take it. I just wish there were a more mainstream candidate that I could feel confident about voting for. The republican party as a whole has really gone downhill and just doesn't stand for its values anymore. Small gov't? Conservative spending? Yeah right:( Not that I think Dems are saints or anything. But you asked about conservatives. So there you have it. I've seen a lot of repubs say they are breaking ranks. It's not surprising in the least.

[Hollie]

I'm disgusted with, oh, just about everyone. Sigh. From the attacks between the candidates to the biased so-called "news" to the people who keep pretending that they can discuss politics respectfully but obviously can NOT. Can't wait until it's over. I am most disappointed over how everyone (even here) seems to think it's okay to be disrespectful of the "other side". It's fabulous to be passionate, but naive to think your point of view is more "right" just because it's yours and therefore grants you special privileges to be disrespectful of people who hold a different opinion.

Honestly I am definitely conservative, but I am not thrilled with my choices and at this point I prefer to look the other way. I have been through my fair share of presidential elections and at this point in the game I am rarely pleased with any campaign or candidate. It just gets too ugly and quits being about the issues. I am not so naive that I think anyone is a "perfect" candidate (or person, for that matter), but nonetheless I am not enamored of our political process, as it exists. I will continue to vote conservative, even though it doesn't really have the same meaning for everyone, because it seems to fit more closely with my world view, which I seek to protect and preserve.

Dianne, I always think that *you* are very respectful in the way you state your positions. Of course then again, I think I always agree with you too:) I guess I am truly a "conservative" when I think about it, but since I feel like the repub party is so out of line these days, I just can't put my vote there with a clear conscience.

[HapeScrapr]

For the first time since I could vote, I am contemplating not voting. I would never have believed I would say that as I am a staunch believer in voting, but I am also a fervent believer in voting for the candidate that is going to represent your beliefs as you have identified through educational research. Based on what I have learned, neither candidate is worth my vote. I am with Hollie, I honestly think Obama has it in the bag no matter the recent hipe.

[tammy1999]

Yea, I don't like the name calling either, but the news that the majority of this country watches doesn't bring up a lot of points that sometimes need to brought up.

I mean, this clearly shows up when the canidates were interviewed by CBS and ABC. Why aren't the same questions asked to all the canidates?

Diane - lovely point you made. I am in agreement with you and Hollie on how the Repubs aren't keeping up with the values of what the party stands for. I was so suprised that so many of them voted for the bail out. I know something needs to be done, but not make the government any larger than it already is. I think that is why I am so intreaged with Sarah Palin. She took on her own party! She is fresh and new and I truely think can make a difference. And I truely believe thats what we need. On both sides!

Thanks ladies for your comments. I truely appreciate them.

[kjbstevens]

Well watching the news over the weekend they were talking about with everything the way it is that democrats should be ahead by 20-30 points at this point against McCain. But with Obama's lack of experience and all of the bad stuff swirling around him with past choices his personal stuff got in the way of an easy win. I guess that is what the personal attacks have done is kept him in the game, but I agree it's no real way to win. I've just been sickened by all of them to the point I'm not happy with any of the parties. I do agree though Republicans and Democrats have both changed leaving a bunch of people in the middle sort of still standing. In the choice between McCain who has a history of being more middle and Obama who is always with his party and way more left than many Dems I'm still going with McCain everytime. I do agree with Palin doing whatever even if her own party doesn't like it. I'm at the point I don't care about experinces with world stuff. Just lead the revolt on shaping up our own federal gov't since she isn't so in with them yet. That's the one hope I have in them.

[diannerigdon]

Dianne, I always think that *you* are very respectful in the way you state your positions. Of course then again, I think I always agree with you too:) I guess I am truly a "conservative" when I think about it, but since I feel like the repub party is so out of line these days, I just can't put my vote there with a clear conscience.

Thanks Holls - yeah I am just about there with you. I feel quite like I must be a radical right wing conservative, the way the "republican" views are playing out lol. We have taken a huge swing toward socialism in the last forty years and it scares me, quite frankly!

ITA Tammy - one of my biggest beefs is with the news stations. Whatever happened to impartially representing what is going on? It feels like we have a bunch of biased commentary shows going on (on both sides) and very little actual analysis of the issues and positions of the candidates. It feels very much like a power struggle between liberal and conservative networks rather than an actual election.

[kjbstevens]

I agree Dianne. I am definately not right but can understand that more than socialism.

[Glueless Media]

I'm disgusted with, oh, just about everyone. Sigh. From the attacks between the candidates to the biased so-called "news" to the people who keep pretending that they can discuss politics respectfully but obviously can NOT. Can't wait until it's over. I am most disappointed over how everyone (even here) seems to think it's okay to be disrespectful of the "other side". It's fabulous to be passionate, but naive to think your point of view is more "right" just because it's yours and therefore grants you special privileges to be disrespectful of people who hold a different opinion.

Honestly I am definitely conservative, but I am not thrilled with my choices and at this point I prefer to look the other way. I have been through my fair share of presidential elections and at this point in the game I am rarely pleased with any campaign or candidate. It just gets too ugly and quits being about the issues. I am not so naive that I think anyone is a "perfect" candidate (or person, for that matter), but nonetheless I am not enamored of our political process, as it exists. I will continue to vote conservative, even though it doesn't really have the same meaning for everyone, because it seems to fit more closely with my world view, which I seek to protect and preserve.

Diane I just lurve:wub you gal! I am not an eloquent writer, and have so much to say but it isn't worth the negativity and fighting to get it aired out.

[Glueless Media]

I want a country that believes in if you work hard, you will prosper. I have because I do work hard. I am all for charity and help (programs) for those who truly need them. I give weekly, I donate my money, goods and time to charities:) At one point in my life I worked a full time job until I was almost 8 months pregnant, driving almost 4 hrs back and forth both round trip. My hubby went to school full time and worked a full time job during this time, with ONE vehicle. Sacrifice is why we have what we have. No handouts ( although we could have but we made a way) NO family around to help us out. I don't want some one coming in and distributing the wealth, any which or form it comes in, period. I want a free market where we can purchase, and have choices.

I want freedom of religion to express my faith and to worship in the way I see fit. Yes, I am a conservative Christian who doesn't push my views down anyones throat ( unless asked OP). My belief, faith are very strong and govern my thoughts and convictions. I use my Bible as road map in my every day life. I believe in it and what it tells me. If you are not a Christian I am sure you may misconstrue that. Yes, I am very pro life.( another discussion)

I want freedom to be able to walk down the street safely and not worry if the ball game(church service, VA Hospital, etc) I am sitting at is going to be bombed by some terrorist radical organization that my president has had a cup of Java with the week before.

My husband is proud Vet who served in the Gulf War, Bosnia etc. I am proud of our Army, Vets, Country and believe that because of the many lives and sacrifices given we are the Safe Nation we are. I want my children to have a safer world all around. Keeping those at bay who would deem to hurt my family,destroy the NAtion and Freedoms we have, HERE and abroad HAS to be done. VA Hospitals ( which we have experience in) are NOT the way to go for helathcare.

Taxes, gas prices, cost of living, education, healthcare are all concerns to me and any American and have us all concerned but I don't think Obama is the answer. I guess I hold in hopes that Palin will be the fresh face who helps make a difference on the Fed scene.

[tammy1999]

I want a country that believes in if you work hard, you will prosper. I have because I do work hard. I am all for charity and help (programs) for those who truly need them. I give weekly, I donate my money, goods and time to charities:) At one point in my life I worked a full time job until I was almost 8 months pregnant, driving almost 4 hrs back and forth both round trip. My hubby went to school full time and worked a full time job during this time, with ONE vehicle. Sacrifice is why we have what we have. No handouts ( although we could have but we made a way) NO family around to help us out. I don't want some one coming in and distributing the wealth, any which or form it comes in, period. I want a free market where we can purchase, and have choices.

I want freedom of religion to express my faith and to worship in the way I see fit. Yes, I am a conservative Christian who doesn't push my views down anyones throat ( unless asked OP). My belief, faith are very strong and govern my thoughts and convictions. I use my Bible as road map in my every day life. I believe in it and what it tells me. If you are not a Christian I am sure you may misconstrue that. Yes, I am very pro life.( another discussion)

I want freedom to be able to walk down the street safely and not worry if the ball game(church service, VA Hospital, etc) I am sitting at is going to be bombed by some terrorist radical organization that my president has had a cup of Java with the week before.

My husband is proud Vet who served in the Gulf War, Bosnia etc. I am proud of our Army, Vets, Country and believe that because of the many lives and sacrifices given we are the Safe Nation we are. I want my children to have a safer world all around. Keeping those at bay who would deem to hurt my family,destroy the NAtion and Freedoms we have, HERE and abroad HAS to be done. VA Hospitals ( which we have experience in) are NOT the way to go for helathcare.

Taxes, gas prices, cost of living, education, healthcare are all concerns to me and any American and have us all concerned but I don't think Obama is the answer. I guess I hold in hopes that Palin will be the fresh face who helps make a difference on the Fed scene.

I think you speak for alot of us. What a wonderfu post. These are such important issues that seems to be forgotten when it comes to election time. And I agree with you, that I don't think Obama is the answer for what we believe in. Give you wonderful husband a big hug from me for serving his country. I am so proud of my family members that have and still are serving this country.

I think alot of people have forgotten how we felt on Sept. 11, 2001?

[kjbstevens]

I agree I have a lot of the same feeling minus the religious part. My dad was in Vietnam and can't even get into a VA because the did who got in on a lottery system for the closest place which is an hour and a half away, so we can't even find out how bad the care is or not.

[Glueless Media]

I think you speak for alot of us. What a wonderfu post. These are such important issues that seems to be forgotten when it comes to election time. And I agree with you, that I don't think Obama is the answer for what we believe in. Give you wonderful husband a big hug from me for serving his country. I am so proud of my family members that have and still are serving this country.

I think alot of people have forgotten how we felt on Sept. 11, 2001?


I NEVER hope in my lifetime or this world to have to have that kind of fear ever again.

[Glueless Media]

I agree I have a lot of the same feeling minus the religious part. My dad was in Vietnam and can't even get into a VA because the did who got in on a lottery system for the closest place which is an hour and a half away, so we can't even find out how bad the care is or not.
Its good to hear that others have the same convictions and issues that I have:) Thank you for this thread Tammy.

My hubby has good health insurance now where he works, thank goodness. For many years we took entire days off from work so that he could be seen. The waiting rooms wall to wall Vets HOPING they will get called before closing time, if not back another day. One day hubby cut his hand in class, had to drive 1.5 hrs to VA only to be told they had no slots for that day and to come back tomorrow?:eekHe is bleeding, maybe not profusely but enough that we thought a hospital trip was Necessary. I wondered what would have happened had he had a heart attack or another life threatening event?:shrug

Lottery for VA what is this? You mean there is NO coverage for him? If so, what a shame!:mad

[kjbstevens]

They had everyone that wanted care and qualified applied and they basically pulled numbers out of a hat to see who got a spot because they couldn't take everyone.

[kjbstevens]

I'm sitting here cracking up. I just got a recorded phone call from a guy running for Congress here that just called to tell me how horrible the bailout was and how he doesn't like our current gov't and all this jazz. At least I have a congressman I can be happy to go vote for! :spin:lol

[nikkiARNGwife]

I want a country that believes in if you work hard, you will prosper. I have because I do work hard. I am all for charity and help (programs) for those who truly need them. I give weekly, I donate my money, goods and time to charities:) At one point in my life I worked a full time job until I was almost 8 months pregnant, driving almost 4 hrs back and forth both round trip. My hubby went to school full time and worked a full time job during this time, with ONE vehicle. Sacrifice is why we have what we have. No handouts ( although we could have but we made a way) NO family around to help us out. I don't want some one coming in and distributing the wealth, any which or form it comes in, period. I want a free market where we can purchase, and have choices.

I want freedom of religion to express my faith and to worship in the way I see fit. Yes, I am a conservative Christian who doesn't push my views down anyones throat ( unless asked OP). My belief, faith are very strong and govern my thoughts and convictions. I use my Bible as road map in my every day life. I believe in it and what it tells me. If you are not a Christian I am sure you may misconstrue that. Yes, I am very pro life.( another discussion)

I want freedom to be able to walk down the street safely and not worry if the ball game(church service, VA Hospital, etc) I am sitting at is going to be bombed by some terrorist radical organization that my president has had a cup of Java with the week before.

My husband is proud Vet who served in the Gulf War, Bosnia etc. I am proud of our Army, Vets, Country and believe that because of the many lives and sacrifices given we are the Safe Nation we are. I want my children to have a safer world all around. Keeping those at bay who would deem to hurt my family,destroy the NAtion and Freedoms we have, HERE and abroad HAS to be done. VA Hospitals ( which we have experience in) are NOT the way to go for helathcare.

Taxes, gas prices, cost of living, education, healthcare are all concerns to me and any American and have us all concerned but I don't think Obama is the answer. I guess I hold in hopes that Palin will be the fresh face who helps make a difference on the Fed scene.


Couldn't have said it better :)

Here's something that concerns me... I mean I don't like all the mudslinging and attacks going on on both sides right now..but I really feel like the "associations" obama has had in the past ARE VERY important but for some reason when it is brought up in the media everyone is like..."oh goodness shame on you for bringing that up, how inappropriate" kwim? Hello? I'm sorry but if were the other way around democrats would be ALL OVER IT. I just honestly am baffled and don't get it..how we can live in a post 9/11 world and have people NOT question this. I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything...I truly just don't understand it at all.

[Glueless Media]

Couldn't have said it better :)

Here's something that concerns me... I mean I don't like all the mudslinging and attacks going on on both sides right now..but I really feel like the "associations" obama has had in the past ARE VERY important but for some reason when it is brought up in the media everyone is like..."oh goodness shame on you for bringing that up, how inappropriate" kwim? Hello? I'm sorry but if were the other way around democrats would be ALL OVER IT. I just honestly am baffled and don't get it..how we can live in a post 9/11 world and have people NOT question this. I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything...I truly just don't understand it at all.

I totally agree, some of his past associations have been lacking in the character dept. Its all over the web, TV, papers you name it.

[movefearlessly]

I'm disgusted with, oh, just about everyone. Sigh. From the attacks between the candidates to the biased so-called "news" to the people who keep pretending that they can discuss politics respectfully but obviously can NOT. Can't wait until it's over. I am most disappointed over how everyone (even here) seems to think it's okay to be disrespectful of the "other side". It's fabulous to be passionate, but naive to think your point of view is more "right" just because it's yours and therefore grants you special privileges to be disrespectful of people who hold a different opinion.

Honestly I am definitely conservative, but I am not thrilled with my choices and at this point I prefer to look the other way. I have been through my fair share of presidential elections and at this point in the game I am rarely pleased with any campaign or candidate. It just gets too ugly and quits being about the issues. I am not so naive that I think anyone is a "perfect" candidate (or person, for that matter), but nonetheless I am not enamored of our political process, as it exists. I will continue to vote conservative, even though it doesn't really have the same meaning for everyone, because it seems to fit more closely with my world view, which I seek to protect and preserve.

i just cried when i read this. i couldn't have stated how i feel any better than this. i've been in an absolute funk all day, and a lot of it has to do with the election and everything involved. can't wait for it to be over.

[4noisyboys]

I totally agree, some of his past associations have been lacking in the character dept. Its all over the web, TV, papers you name it.
But don't you feel that McCains association with Keating shows a grave lack of character? Their relationship went way beyond a few meetings or fundraisers.

[Glueless Media]

But don't you feel that McCains association with Keating shows a grave lack of character? Their relationship went way beyond a few meetings or fundraisers.

I am not to happy about that either!

[4noisyboys]

What I think we have to remember, is that this is politics. No one is above doing things that are less than ethical to get where they are and what they want. Neither party is innocent.

[eb2177]

I want a country that believes in if you work hard, you will prosper. I have because I do work hard. I am all for charity and help (programs) for those who truly need them. I give weekly, I donate my money, goods and time to charities:) At one point in my life I worked a full time job until I was almost 8 months pregnant, driving almost 4 hrs back and forth both round trip. My hubby went to school full time and worked a full time job during this time, with ONE vehicle. Sacrifice is why we have what we have. No handouts ( although we could have but we made a way) NO family around to help us out. I don't want some one coming in and distributing the wealth, any which or form it comes in, period. I want a free market where we can purchase, and have choices.

I want freedom of religion to express my faith and to worship in the way I see fit. Yes, I am a conservative Christian who doesn't push my views down anyones throat ( unless asked OP). My belief, faith are very strong and govern my thoughts and convictions. I use my Bible as road map in my every day life. I believe in it and what it tells me. If you are not a Christian I am sure you may misconstrue that. Yes, I am very pro life.( another discussion)

I want freedom to be able to walk down the street safely and not worry if the ball game(church service, VA Hospital, etc) I am sitting at is going to be bombed by some terrorist radical organization that my president has had a cup of Java with the week before.

My husband is proud Vet who served in the Gulf War, Bosnia etc. I am proud of our Army, Vets, Country and believe that because of the many lives and sacrifices given we are the Safe Nation we are. I want my children to have a safer world all around. Keeping those at bay who would deem to hurt my family,destroy the NAtion and Freedoms we have, HERE and abroad HAS to be done. VA Hospitals ( which we have experience in) are NOT the way to go for helathcare.

Taxes, gas prices, cost of living, education, healthcare are all concerns to me and any American and have us all concerned but I don't think Obama is the answer. I guess I hold in hopes that Palin will be the fresh face who helps make a difference on the Fed scene.

Very well said!

[nikkiARNGwife]

But don't you feel that McCains association with Keating shows a grave lack of character? Their relationship went way beyond a few meetings or fundraisers


Obama's 20+ year relationship with Revereand wright worries me more. I have been watching and reading about this man over the past few days and it is just AMAZING to me that people think that once obama "left the church" it's all okay...from what I've listened to of his sermons and read about the man himself he has some very radical views. I know myself that if I'm a member of a church where I disagree with the views and sermons that I will leave..not wait 20 years and then only when the media starts to question it. 20 years is a lot of time to be influenced. It just really concerns me a lot.

[4noisyboys]

Obama's 20+ year relationship with Revereand wright worries me more. I have been watching and reading about this man over the past few days and it is just AMAZING to me that people think that once obama "left the church" it's all okay...from what I've listened to of his sermons and read about the man himself he has some very radical views. I know myself that if I'm a member of a church where I disagree with the views and sermons that I will leave..not wait 20 years and then only when the media starts to question it. 20 years is a lot of time to be influenced. It just really concerns me a lot.


My thoughts are that he started attending there for more political reasons than religious. Yes, it can shape a belief about our country though, even if we are attending for a different reason. He was kind of told by people, "Look, if you want to do this and that, you really should go here...everyone who is anyone goes there" type of thing.

I don't personally agree with that type of thinking, but I'm not condemning him for it either.

McCain's friendship with Keating and the cheating and scandal there actually concern me more. Neither gives me a lot of confidence though!!

[nikkiARNGwife]

My thoughts are that he started attending there for more political reasons than religious. Yes, it can shape a belief about our country though, even if we are attending for a different reason. He was kind of told by people, "Look, if you want to do this and that, you really should go here...everyone who is anyone goes there" type of thing.



But doesn't that show lack of character. I guess for me I just want a leader who will stand up for his beliefs no matter what they are and if he attended this church for that long he had to have something there that he believed in (which is SCARY). But just own it ya know...the minute there was a hint of scandal and it got out that wright is pretty much wacko..obama left the church and dismissed it and the thing that bothers me most is that main stream media just pretty much dropped it..now you've got this Ayers man who whatever the relationship was...it has been shown that they did have some type of relationship and that he had his "campaign launch" dinner in the man's house. If it were McCain, democrats would be shouting it from the rooftops but b/c it's obama they act like it's no big deal. It's a big deal to me. It just seems like more and more of these radical associations keep coming up from his past and if he wasn't influenced by them...why was he associated with them at all? I just don't understand why people won't question this more than they are.

This whole mess is so frustrating and I just want it all to be overwith. I sure would like to turn on the news and see some good news for a change kwim? I don't know about y'all but all of this...the economy, the election is really getting to me and I'm so weary from the worry of it all.

[Hollie]

Neither gives me a lot of confidence though!!

And that is really the bottom line. At least for me.

[erica922]

I am sick of the attacks too, but I am with Obama 100%

[4noisyboys]

But doesn't that show lack of character. I guess for me I just want a leader who will stand up for his beliefs no matter what they are and if he attended this church for that long he had to have something there that he believed in (which is SCARY). But just own it ya know...the minute there was a hint of scandal and it got out that wright is pretty much wacko..obama left the church and dismissed it and the thing that bothers me most is that main stream media just pretty much dropped it..now you've got this Ayers man who whatever the relationship was...it has been shown that they did have some type of relationship and that he had his "campaign launch" dinner in the man's house. If it were McCain, democrats would be shouting it from the rooftops but b/c it's obama they act like it's no big deal. It's a big deal to me. It just seems like more and more of these radical associations keep coming up from his past and if he wasn't influenced by them...why was he associated with them at all? I just don't understand why people won't question this more than they are.

This whole mess is so frustrating and I just want it all to be overwith. I sure would like to turn on the news and see some good news for a change kwim? I don't know about y'all but all of this...the economy, the election is really getting to me and I'm so weary from the worry of it all.

This is a direct copy/paste from another thread:

"I don't get how Palin can be talking of terrorists when her own husband was part of the Alaskan Independence Party.... a party that wanted secession for Alaska. Secession. A quote from their founder, "The Alaskan Independence Party quotes Vogler as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." Another bit of information, "In a 1991 interview currently housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, Vogler is recorded as saying "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

Interesting on both sides."

I really find this interesting. I lived in Alaska, and while I had heard of this, I didn't know anyone that actually belonged to it. Now this is radical!!

[Kim2002]

There are so many aspects to being a conservative and I think many of my beliefs do fit within this definition, despite the fact that I'm a registered democrat. When I first registered to vote, I was 18 and naive and didn't really know what party to sign up for. So I just picked one and registered. Over the years, I've voted for the candidate that best fit my views at that time no matter the party.

This year, though, I'm just throwing my hands up in the air. I feel like there isn't really a candidate who represents my views that can actually win this election. The closest I've come is Bob Barr and there is no chance for him to win so, at this point, I feel like I need to vote for the lesser of the two evils. Horrible. Just horrible. :(

[movefearlessly]

just for anyone interested in researching it:
http://www.akip.org/

site for the alaskan independence party

[nikkiARNGwife]

This is a direct copy/paste from another thread:

"I don't get how Palin can be talking of terrorists when her own husband was part of the Alaskan Independence Party.... a party that wanted secession for Alaska. Secession. A quote from their founder, "The Alaskan Independence Party quotes Vogler as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." Another bit of information, "In a 1991 interview currently housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, Vogler is recorded as saying "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

Interesting on both sides."

I really find this interesting. I lived in Alaska, and while I had heard of this, I didn't know anyone that actually belonged to it. Now this is radical!!

I agree that if this is true it needs to be known..just like obama's past...it's an issue..we need this information in order to choose who we will vote for and when the media chooses to "hush hush, no big deal" obama's connections it's not fair. He should have to explain his past actions...TRUTHFULLY...which I don't expect to happen unfortunately.

[Glueless Media]

This is a direct copy/paste from another thread:

"I don't get how Palin can be talking of terrorists when her own husband was part of the Alaskan Independence Party.... a party that wanted secession for Alaska. Secession. A quote from their founder, "The Alaskan Independence Party quotes Vogler as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." Another bit of information, "In a 1991 interview currently housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, Vogler is recorded as saying "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

Interesting on both sides."

I really find this interesting. I lived in Alaska, and while I had heard of this, I didn't know anyone that actually belonged to it. Now this is radical!!
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The Alaskan Independence Party

UPDATE September 3, 2008 Noon ADT

It has been brought to our attention that there is a COUNTERFEIT SITE now up on the net. This site is a FRAUD and has infringed our copyright. We are presently seeking legal recourse.
Contrary to initial reports, Vice-President candidate Governor Sarah Palin was never a member of our party. We stand corrected. We issued a press release today. It is posted here (http://www.akip.org/090308.html) to those members of the media who did not recieve it.
Todd Palin was registered as a member but never participated in any party activities aside from attending a convention in Wasilla at one time.
We had several hundred people attend that convention and nothing of noteworthy status took place outside of nominating the most conservative candidate up to that date to ever run for Governor of Alaska. That candidate was the sitting Lt. Governor, Jack Coghill. This man was one of the authors and signers of the Constitution of the State of Alaska.
For ALL Media contact. Please contact Lynette Clark (lclark@akip.org?Subject=Media%20Contact), Alaskan Independence Party Chair

http://www.akip.org/

[Kathy Moore]

at this point, I feel like I need to vote for the lesser of the two evils. Horrible. Just horrible. :(

You nailed it :( .

[Glueless Media]

just for anyone interested in researching it:
http://www.akip.org/

site for the alaskan independence party

Posting at same time:)

[tammy1999]

But doesn't that show lack of character. I guess for me I just want a leader who will stand up for his beliefs no matter what they are and if he attended this church for that long he had to have something there that he believed in (which is SCARY). But just own it ya know...the minute there was a hint of scandal and it got out that wright is pretty much wacko..obama left the church and dismissed it and the thing that bothers me most is that main stream media just pretty much dropped it..now you've got this Ayers man who whatever the relationship was...it has been shown that they did have some type of relationship and that he had his "campaign launch" dinner in the man's house. If it were McCain, democrats would be shouting it from the rooftops but b/c it's obama they act like it's no big deal. It's a big deal to me. It just seems like more and more of these radical associations keep coming up from his past and if he wasn't influenced by them...why was he associated with them at all? I just don't understand why people won't question this more than they are.

This whole mess is so frustrating and I just want it all to be overwith. I sure would like to turn on the news and see some good news for a change kwim? I don't know about y'all but all of this...the economy, the election is really getting to me and I'm so weary from the worry of it all.

Very well spoken!!

Obama's first concern is his socialistic tendencies to make everyone on the same playing level when it comes to wealth and to make sure government controls most of your life. Example: Biden's comment on taxing American's making over $250,000 because it's just "FAIR"! What is fair about taking from the rich and giving to the poor? (Example: People who don't want to work or make a living for themselves) Obama's party thinks it so wrong to have something in this country. People that make over $100,000 in this country pay over 90% of the income tax in this country. That is an IRS stat, not mine. I hate class warfare and thats what his party worries about more than the safety of our country.

McCain's first concern will ALWAYS be the safety of our country and that is what I worry about the most. Will we attacked again? And it seems we have forgotten this in the past few months. Remember 9/11 and how you felt that morning.

And this is strickly my opinon about the bail out after reading and doing a bit of research. I honestly think that we would have been fine as a financial country if we hadn't voted on this bail out. Think about this. Anyone that has good credit, has a mortgage, been paying their bills, paying for a car loan..........CAN STILL GET A LOAN!!!!! I challenge any of you to call your bank and see if you can get a loan and see what happens. The bank's are just going back to the old system where you must show your income and you must have a down payment. The way it should've always been.

And ladies, doesn't it just make you boil that homes were given to people without making any income, without any down payment and then when they got into these homes, most have not paid a dime back to the bank. What a slap in the face to the hard working people of this country who put together every dime to make a down payment on a home.

I saw an interview today with one of those people that was given a home without out a down payment or income and she now wants the government to let her live in her home for free!!!!!! I've seen alot of those homes and they are beautiful, just beautiful!!! And after they leave or forced out, those homes will be trashed. The reason why I know this, is because my husband and I are in the real estate business in this state and we have watched other investors homes destroyed. It's just wrong and breaks my heart.

[4noisyboys]

This whole mess is so frustrating and I just want it all to be overwith. I sure would like to turn on the news and see some good news for a change kwim? I don't know about y'all but all of this...the economy, the election is really getting to me and I'm so weary from the worry of it all.

Especially being pregnant, you really shouldn't be worrying about these things. I personally don't get fearful about too much. I place my trust in God, and that his will be done. I actually enjoy reading all the debating going on, and I am looking forward to the town hall style debate tonight. I want facts and love it when someone has something to offer that is factual, even if it differs from what I think. I am very conservative in most of my beliefs, but this year, I am voting for Obama/Biden. I would've voted for McCain in 2000 against Gore had he gotten the nomination. Take care of yourself girl!! You are my #1 source for inspiration when it comes to scrapping. I have a huge "Nikki" folder on my computer filled with your layouts!!

[nikkiARNGwife]

Especially being pregnant, you really shouldn't be worrying about these things. I personally don't get fearful about too much. I place my trust in God, and that his will be done. I actually enjoy reading all the debating going on, and I am looking forward to the town hall style debate tonight. I want facts and love it when someone has something to offer that is factual, even if it differs from what I think. I am very conservative in most of my beliefs, but this year, I am voting for Obama/Biden. I would've voted for McCain in 2000 against Gore had he gotten the nomination. Take care of yourself girl!! You are my #1 source for inspiration when it comes to scrapping. I have a huge "Nikki" folder on my computer filled with your layouts!!

Aw thanks Debra! I was hoping that you weren't offended by my posts cuz you know I love ya!! :) I also want to add that you are always very considerate in these debate type threads unlike some other people can be. I like to read the discussions too but I hate it when it gets ugly kwim?

[vegaschristina]

Biden's comment on taxing American's making over $250,000 because it's just "FAIR"! What is fair about taking from the rich and giving to the poor?

Is it fair for someone closer to the poverty line to pay the same percentage ~on paper~ as those making over $250K, when those making over $250K usually have accountants and means of lowering their tax burden (line item deductions)? Most families who are in the $40K range don't own their own home, so there's no mortgage interest tax break, for example. How is that fair?

[diannerigdon]

So you are saying that someone who has a higher income should be penalized for having more money than the average family? Is their work less valued simply because of their bottom line? I do think that someone who is better of than others has a moral responsibility to contribute more to society, but fair? Yes I think percentages is fair.

ETA to be honest I didn't read the whole thread so I am just sort of random posting. If it doesn't relate - sorry! I'll try not to do that next time but I have to scoot! :)

[Kim2002]

Is it fair for someone closer to the poverty line to pay the same percentage ~on paper~ as those making over $250K, when those making over $250K usually have accountants and means of lowering their tax burden (line item deductions)? Most families who are in the $40K range don't own their own home, so there's no mortgage interest tax break, for example. How is that fair?

I'm having fuzzy brain today.....I don't understand what you're stating here. Sorry.

It is my understanding that the percentages are based on your income in the following increments:

If your taxable income is between... your tax bracket is:
0 and 8,025, then your percentage owed is 10%
8,025 and 32,550, then your percentage owed is 15%
32,550 and 78,850, then your percentage owed is 25%
78,850 and 164,550, then your percentage owed is 28%
164,550 and 357,700, then your percentage owed is 33%
greater than 357,700 then your percentage owed is 35%

So someone making $40k and someone making $250k aren't even in the same tax bracket. :headscratch

[vegaschristina]

I'm not, in any way, suggesting that I take your money and give it to the poor. What I'm saying is that it's not fair for me to pay a higher percentage of my income to taxes than someone who makes 3-5 times more than me since I have fewer tax breaks such as those line item deductions. I own a home, so I have a tax reduction for my mortgage interest. Because of that, I pay a less percentage of my income as income taxes than does someone who makes the exact same amount as me, but doesn't have a house. How is that fair?

[vegaschristina]

I'm having fuzzy brain today.....I don't understand what you're stating here. Sorry.
:headscratch

Ok, 2 things...I LOVE the scratching head blinkie! Too cute!

Next...I wasn't speaking to specific tax brackets, but to the idea that taxes are supposed to be the same across the board so that they're "fair."

[tammy1999]

I'm not, in any way, suggesting that I take your money and give it to the poor. What I'm saying is that it's not fair for me to pay a higher percentage of my income to taxes than someone who makes 3-5 times more than me since I have fewer tax breaks such as those line item deductions. I own a home, so I have a tax reduction for my mortgage interest. Because of that, I pay a less percentage of my income as income taxes than does someone who makes the exact same amount as me, but doesn't have a house. How is that fair?

People that make over $100,000 pays 90% of the income tax in this country. The tax bracket for lower income is low and people that are making much more are paying much more. This is not my stat it comes from the IRS.

I think you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this subject. We both could go on for days standing up for our points. There are flaws on both sides, but there is also good too. But you have to agree, as long as the government controls what is being taken from us in taxes is only going to get worse and higher.

[NellieRose]

I'm having fuzzy brain today.....I don't understand what you're stating here. Sorry.

It is my understanding that the percentages are based on your income in the following increments:

If your taxable income is between... your tax bracket is:
0 and 8,025, then your percentage owed is 10%
8,025 and 32,550, then your percentage owed is 15%
32,550 and 78,850, then your percentage owed is 25%
78,850 and 164,550, then your percentage owed is 28%
164,550 and 357,700, then your percentage owed is 33%
greater than 357,700 then your percentage owed is 35%

So someone making $40k and someone making $250k aren't even in the same tax bracket. :headscratch

Hi Kim!

I haven't read further than your post but I think what Christina was referring to was a discussion of a hypothetical "flat tax".

Christina made the point that while on paper the tax is "equal" for all, regardless of income, in the end it's not "equal" as the people with higher salaries and access to financial professionals can use tax shelters, tax deductions, etc. that lower income families can not. Essentially making the "flat" or equal taxation not so equal.

Now, I will read on probably find this has already been addressed. :lol

[vegaschristina]

I think you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this subject. We both could go on for days standing up for our points. There are flaws on both sides, but there is also good too. But you have to agree, as long as the government controls what is being taken from us in taxes is only going to get worse and higher.

I can agree with your last statement, and yes, there's a flat tax discussion on another thread. It's kinda hard to keep all the threads separate, isn't it?

I've really enjoyed reading the conservative threads though, it's food for thought. I'm far more liberal than most of you guys, but I can see your point of view, even if I disagree with it.

[tammy1999]

I can agree with your last statement, and yes, there's a flat tax discussion on another thread. It's kinda hard to keep all the threads separate, isn't it?

I've really enjoyed reading the conservative threads though, it's food for thought. I'm far more liberal than most of you guys, but I can see your point of view, even if I disagree with it.

I think its great that we can discuss ideas and learn from each other. I love all these posts. Glad to know you my friend. :happyhug

[NellieRose]

I think its great that we can discuss ideas and learn from each other. I love all these posts. Glad to know you my friend. :happyhug

What she said.

[Kim2002]

.....I have fewer tax breaks such as those line item deductions. I own a home, so I have a tax reduction for my mortgage interest. Because of that, I pay a less percentage of my income as income taxes than does someone who makes the exact same amount as me, but doesn't have a house. How is that fair?

Okay, the fuzzy brain has been cleared and I totally understand what you are saying. However, not all of the line item deductions are relevant. For example, the mortgage tax for homeowners is something paid by the homeowner and the government giving them a tax break is essentially just giving that money back that was paid in. Those who don't own houses, don't pay the tax, so shouldn't be entitled to the break. There are other similar instances of this, too. And I know there are loads of tax breaks that need to be done away with for reasons of fairness. Totally agree with you there. Just not all of them are unfair and I am using your statement as one example. :)

ETA: One thing the government could do is to eliminate those tax breaks that result in a deduction anyway.

[DirtyFeetDesigns (heb1976)]

ITA Tammy - one of my biggest beefs is with the news stations. Whatever happened to impartially representing what is going on? It feels like we have a bunch of biased commentary shows going on (on both sides) and very little actual analysis of the issues and positions of the candidates. It feels very much like a power struggle between liberal and conservative networks rather than an actual election.

My husband is a FoxNews fan through and through (I just like Shepard Smith - good eye candy). I have always hated politics - even in high school. But I have forced myself to get to know what is going on. It does effect me now that I own my own house ... whereas before - I didn't feel the burden some Americans did. We were receiving more money back during tax time - no more marriage tax, more money back for children, etc ... Things have changed tho.

I starting watching MSNBC to get the *other side* views on things. I try to look at the opinions of both sides when reading a story. But ... I am wore flat out. So much to weed through, he said he said BS. The unfairness between both parties - just disgusting. They said the last election was horrible with the attacks and smears ... this one is by far the worse. Maybe they need to regulate the amount the media gets to cover this stuff. Maybe it will make people actually read up on the issues, instead of just believing everything they hear on the news.

I think what needs to start happening is we need to get the idiots in the congress and senate that have been there since my grandma was a teenager out. Place terms on them like the president - 2 terms and you are out. You cannot blame everything on the president - he is just a figure head. Start holding the 534 other people accountable as well. Maybe then we can get this country back on track.

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

Lots of good ideas in that post Heather ^^

[nikkiARNGwife]

My husband is a FoxNews fan through and through (I just like Shepard Smith - good eye candy). I have always hated politics - even in high school. But I have forced myself to get to know what is going on. It does effect me now that I own my own house ... whereas before - I didn't feel the burden some Americans did. We were receiving more money back during tax time - no more marriage tax, more money back for children, etc ... Things have changed tho.

I starting watching MSNBC to get the *other side* views on things. I try to look at the opinions of both sides when reading a story. But ... I am wore flat out. So much to weed through, he said he said BS. The unfairness between both parties - just disgusting. They said the last election was horrible with the attacks and smears ... this one is by far the worse. Maybe they need to regulate the amount the media gets to cover this stuff. Maybe it will make people actually read up on the issues, instead of just believing everything they hear on the news.


It's really ridiculous isn't it? We're big FoxNews viewers b/c though they may not be 100 percent fair and balanced they're WAY more so than the other networks. (and sometimes it's just nice to hear a more conservative newscaster voice his/her opinions..I really like Sean Hannity) Some stations are so obviously liberally inclined that I can barely stomach to watch them. And I too will try to watch other networks just so I can see what the "other side" is saying lol

But it's sad to know that most Americans make their decisions based on what they hear on the news (and I'm just as guilty as anyone) and that we can't get a fair unbiased account of both sides.

[lunafaerie]

I think what needs to start happening is we need to get the idiots in the congress and senate that have been there since my grandma was a teenager out. Place terms on them like the president - 2 terms and you are out. You cannot blame everything on the president - he is just a figure head. Start holding the 534 other people accountable as well. Maybe then we can get this country back on track.

CA just instituted term limits and we couldn't get the state budget passed this year. Some people say it's because the legislators didn't know or trust each other. Personally I think that's a bit simplistic, but it's an interesting thought.

Something needs to be done though, I agree with that!

[Glueless Media]

It's really ridiculous isn't it? We're big FoxNews viewers b/c though they may not be 100 percent fair and balanced they're WAY more so than the other networks. (and sometimes it's just nice to hear a more conservative newscaster voice his/her opinions..I really like Sean Hannity) Some stations are so obviously liberally inclined that I can barely stomach to watch them. And I too will try to watch other networks just so I can see what the "other side" is saying lol

But it's sad to know that most Americans make their decisions based on what they hear on the news (and I'm just as guilty as anyone) and that we can't get a fair unbiased account of both sides.


I try and flip and watch every news channel I can. Its like brain overload!:spinlol The views are all over the place. I do like hearing the Conservative Newscasters take at the end of the day also.

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

Sounds like me and my husband Vickie. He more conservative -especially fiscally- whereas I am more liberal. I'll bet you can imagine how the debates are viewed in this household :giggle

[kjbstevens]

Well I see this got way off conservative stuff, but yeah I agree some of the news stuff just is way off. I like BBC for actual what is going on and Shepard Smith. The panel on Brit Hume is okay. That's about it that I can take much of. I like Yahoo headlines the best. It doesn't argue and bicker.

The tax stuff just sucks. We make under $40k and lose $450 every 2 weeks to taxes.

[Glueless Media]

Yeah Miki! I can imagine. You should hear some of ours. I am I would say pretty conservative and my hubby is pretty darn tired of the entire Govt. He and I have been so disillusioned with our Govt that we just gave up in the last vote. So do you see why that the conservative party thought that Palin (fresh faced) might pull us out of this mess, because regardless of party, this Country's Economics is a mess. Can we not pick and choose both candidates , you handle this and you this and so on? lol Get the best out of all candidates? I can dream! lol

[kjbstevens]

I think the American people need to take care of it themselves for a start. If our own people don't take responsibility for their own choices and decisions in credit and everything going on then how do we expect our gov't to do it since they are voted from us?

[Glueless Media]

Amen on the taxes. My hubby makes a pretty good salary, but then again we live and have to have that type of salary with our needs, means, bills etc. BUT I sure would like to have that 20,000 spent in taxes last year. His job requires him to work 60 hrs a week. If he works 60-68 hrs we still bring home the same amt( higher taxes) so if overtime is needed it does us no good unless he works 70 hrs. CRAZY! I am thankful that I can be SAHM-wahm mom, first time in my life. My store earnings are the icing on the cake for us:) or the money to help when the work isn't there( a few times lately).

[phenomshel]

i just cried when i read this. i couldn't have stated how i feel any better than this. i've been in an absolute funk all day, and a lot of it has to do with the election and everything involved. can't wait for it to be over.

AMEN and AMEN!! I've been in a funk for a week and a half now, and I know it's caused by the combination of election and economic crud going on.
DH is not worried in the slightest about either topic, he's got a rather profane "layman's language" view of the economic thing up on his blog. Even after reading it a couple of times, and knowing that he's darn near prescient when it comes to economic matters, I'm still not reassured. As for the election, I'm pretty much with Kim...voting for the lesser of two evils.
I used to consider myself a conservative. Now the definitions (and also some of my views) have changed so much I have no idea what to call myself.
This plus the power struggle going on at my job that I'm in the middle of has me completely :smurf'd right now. :(

[DirtyFeetDesigns (heb1976)]

This is a direct copy/paste from another thread:

"I don't get how Palin can be talking of terrorists when her own husband was part of the Alaskan Independence Party.... a party that wanted secession for Alaska. Secession. A quote from their founder, "The Alaskan Independence Party quotes Vogler as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." Another bit of information, "In a 1991 interview currently housed at the Oral History Program in the Rasmuson Library at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, Vogler is recorded as saying "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

Interesting on both sides."

I really find this interesting. I lived in Alaska, and while I had heard of this, I didn't know anyone that actually belonged to it. Now this is radical!!

O.K. I can understand this ... but it was her husband that was part if it ... not her. Obama himself was attending the church ... Big difference there.

[NellieRose]

O.K. I can understand this ... but it was her husband that was part if it ... not her. Obama himself was attending the church ... Big difference there.

I think her husband Todd being an AIP member for 7 years does become an issue especially when you take into consideration he sits in on private official State of Alaska meeting and has been on the e-mail circulation lists regarding that official State of Alaska business.

ETA: She did visit AIP conventions and/or address them.

[Hollie]

Dude. What happened to this thread???

[tammy1999]

I know what you mean. Oh well. At least it was fun while it lasted. :headscratch

[kjbstevens]

Okay so redirect. What's the one good thing conservative wise you all are seeing being addressed with this election?

I guess for me it would be they are actually having to look at what their plans cost.

[April Staker]

I'm disgusted with, oh, just about everyone. Sigh. From the attacks between the candidates to the biased so-called "news" to the people who keep pretending that they can discuss politics respectfully but obviously can NOT. Can't wait until it's over. I am most disappointed over how everyone (even here) seems to think it's okay to be disrespectful of the "other side". It's fabulous to be passionate, but naive to think your point of view is more "right" just because it's yours and therefore grants you special privileges to be disrespectful of people who hold a different opinion.

Honestly I am definitely conservative, but I am not thrilled with my choices and at this point I prefer to look the other way. I have been through my fair share of presidential elections and at this point in the game I am rarely pleased with any campaign or candidate. It just gets too ugly and quits being about the issues. I am not so naive that I think anyone is a "perfect" candidate (or person, for that matter), but nonetheless I am not enamored of our political process, as it exists. I will continue to vote conservative, even though it doesn't really have the same meaning for everyone, because it seems to fit more closely with my world view, which I seek to protect and preserve.

ITA. I plan not to vote for either big ticket. I am in a super conservative state anyway. SO regardless of my vote it will still go to McCain. So just to feel like i made a point I will vote for someone else. I am absolutely opposed to Obama. I've never been in more fear of the future of my country than when I think of him as Pres. He is just too shady. I am really conservative. Like old fashioned. LOL! And McCain scares me too. I have to admit I do like Palin better than McCain. But McCain has pulled too many stunts for me to trust him. And I think he's a little out there on the edge of conservatism and almost falling off.

So, I honestly don't know who I will vote for. I kinda want to write in Colin Powell. :)

But I also want this whole thing over. I won't listen to the news, because it isn't factual. I can't stand the slinging and slashing and lies and uggh. I just hate it. And all these threads keep making me crazy. It's like a bad accident and I just have to rubberneck. Then I wish I hadn't. :lol

[April Staker]

Is it fair for someone closer to the poverty line to pay the same percentage ~on paper~ as those making over $250K, when those making over $250K usually have accountants and means of lowering their tax burden (line item deductions)? Most families who are in the $40K range don't own their own home, so there's no mortgage interest tax break, for example. How is that fair?

Being the religious person I am, I pay the same tithing (10%) than everyone else who pays tithing in my church pays. It isn't based on anything. Just 10% of my annual income/increase. It is no harder for me to give 10% than my millionaire BIL to give his 10%. I don't feel like it is unfair. I am not asked to give anything different, and I am not given breaks for not being as wealthy. And it has never in my life felt unfair. Not when I made $12,000 my first year married (combined income) Not when we made over 6 figures. It was always consistent with what we had.

So I guess I am for a flat tax, but it can't be at all with the deductions for this that and the other thing. I don't know. I don't think it could ever be made to be so fair when you are talking millions of people from every walk of life and then throwing politicians in to be in charge of it all. Oh well.

Can I just say how much I hate taxes?????

[Glueless Media]

But I also want this whole thing over. I won't listen to the news, because it isn't factual. I can't stand the slinging and slashing and lies and uggh. I just hate it. And all these threads keep making me crazy. It's like a bad accident and I just have to rubberneck. Then I wish I hadn't. :lol


Woohoooo April!!!!! AMEN on that!!! lol:spin:eek;):lol:D

[Gina.Maria]

ITA. I plan not to vote for either big ticket. I am in a super conservative state anyway. SO regardless of my vote it will still go to McCain. So just to feel like i made a point I will vote for someone else. I am absolutely opposed to Obama. I've never been in more fear of the future of my country than when I think of him as Pres. He is just too shady. I am really conservative. Like old fashioned. LOL! And McCain scares me too. I have to admit I do like Palin better than McCain. But McCain has pulled too many stunts for me to trust him. And I think he's a little out there on the edge of conservatism and almost falling off.

So, I honestly don't know who I will vote for. I kinda want to write in Colin Powell. :)

But I also want this whole thing over. I won't listen to the news, because it isn't factual. I can't stand the slinging and slashing and lies and uggh. I just hate it. And all these threads keep making me crazy. It's like a bad accident and I just have to rubberneck. Then I wish I hadn't. :lol

Lucky for you, your choice has made his own choice clear. ;)

[fmoimoi]

wow! it's intresting to see other people views and although I'm not a conservative...more of a liberal for me, I have to say mc cain had my vote until he chose Palin! LMAO! I look at both candidates as equal in the sense of who has experience, my tally is obama has no experience & neither does palin; mc cain & bin with experience but what sets my decision apart from mc cain is he literally looks like he can die any day now, & to then be left with palin as his runner up, no way could I live with that decision (it would haunt me every day of my life) I wish mc cain had better game meaning "strategy" and I will applaud OBAMA for giving mc cain a good run for his money!!! The man is sharp!!! his candidate pick was a strong pick...he's got an ALL STAR TEAM in my eyes, so, I can't argue that! if mc cain loses it's strictly because he chose palin.

My vote "obama"...now, keep in mind this is just my opinion!!! I'm not telling anyone who to vote for or how to think, this is just my thoughts & feelings...

[txmusicmom]

I want a country that believes in if you work hard, you will prosper. I have because I do work hard.

I want a free market where we can purchase, and have choices.

I want freedom of religion to express my faith and to worship in the way

I want freedom to be able to walk down the street safely and not worry if the ball game(church service, VA Hospital, etc) I am sitting at is going to be bombed by some terrorist radical organization that my president has had a cup of Java with the week before.

I want my children to have a safer world all around. Keeping those at bay who would deem to hurt my family,destroy the NAtion and Freedoms we have, HERE and abroad HAS to be done.

VA Hospitals ( which we have experience in) are NOT the way to go for helathcare.

Taxes, gas prices, cost of living, education, healthcare are all concerns to me and any American and have us all concerned but I don't think Obama is the answer. I guess I hold in hopes that Palin will be the fresh face who helps make a difference on the Fed scene.

I thought you said you weren't eloquent- That was just lovely - and I say a hearty AMEN! :agree

I was hoping this would be a safe place to discuss......;)

[txmusicmom]

Okay so redirect. What's the one good thing conservative wise you all are seeing being addressed with this election?

I guess for me it would be they are actually having to look at what their plans cost.

Maintaining our freedoms- freedom of speech-

Freedom to bear arms -( and no I don't have a gun :lol)

Freedom from government entanglement

Free enterprise

[kjbstevens]

I just got a phone call and they were explaining congressional people's views to me and was actually very glad to see that both of our guys are very progun rights. The democratic guy is actually very moderate while our republican guy is a strict small gov't fiscal conservative but not overly religious. I don't think I'm going to mind either of them except for the democrat made one comment after they signed the bailout that said the crisis was over. I actually sort of liked him too until that.

[LindsaysMom]

I am tired of the media’s obvious bias and support of Obama. I am tired of the negative portrayal of McCain. The media hailed Obama as the new president since the beginning of this year, sugar coating everything and putting him in the best light. Just yesterday I saw an article on CNN.com about how great Obama is and right next to it a very negative ad against McCain. WTF? I am so tired of the Obama worshipping that is going on and his rabbit supporters.
I am so glad when everything is over. At this point I don’t care who wins so long it’s all done and over.

[LindsaysMom]

ITA. I plan not to vote for either big ticket. I am in a super conservative state anyway. SO regardless of my vote it will still go to McCain. So just to feel like i made a point I will vote for someone else. I am absolutely opposed to Obama. I've never been in more fear of the future of my country than when I think of him as Pres. He is just too shady.

This is just how I feel! My state is solid McCain, so regardless of what I will do, it will be going to McCain.
I am going to vote for Bob Barr. I did a quiz the other day comparing my ideas with the candidates' ideas and I matched closest with Bob Barr.

[Kim2002]

Okay so redirect. What's the one good thing conservative wise you all are seeing being addressed with this election?

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) addressing liberty over equality, whereas Obama (D) stresses equality over liberty.

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) addressing small government, whereas Obama's (D) plans seem to recommend more government programs and policies.

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) talking about being responsible for yourself, whereas Obama (D) promotes having the government make the choices.

[Glueless Media]

I thought you said you weren't eloquent- That was just lovely - and I say a hearty AMEN! :agree

I was hoping this would be a safe place to discuss......;)


No eloquent anything here. I am plain Jane just telling my heart.:wub

Yes, you would think it would be a "safe" place to discuss;) but seemingly nothing is off limits here for cartain Obama supporters. AS you can plainly see the McCain or Rep haven't invaded that Spread some love thread...:pRespect hmmm asking do you think we could get the same?:wub

[kjbstevens]

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) addressing liberty over equality, whereas Obama (D) stresses equality over liberty.

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) addressing small government, whereas Obama's (D) plans seem to recommend more government programs and policies.

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) talking about being responsible for yourself, whereas Obama (D) promotes having the government make the choices.
Totally in agreement with that. I have haven't been a big gov't fan lately and think my vote is mostly to try to limit them coming more into my life and my decision making.

[Glueless Media]

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) addressing liberty over equality, whereas Obama (D) stresses equality over liberty.

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) addressing small government, whereas Obama's (D) plans seem to recommend more government programs and policies.

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) talking about being responsible for yourself, whereas Obama (D) promotes having the government make the choices.


ITA Kim, Thats how I see it also.

[txmusicmom]

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) addressing liberty over equality, whereas Obama (D) stresses equality over liberty.

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) addressing small government, whereas Obama's (D) plans seem to recommend more government programs and policies.

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) talking about being responsible for yourself, whereas Obama (D) promotes having the government make the choices.

:yourock:cheer:cheer:cheer

I voted today--- along with my son.......... :yahoo

Did our thread get hijacked again?

:lol

[txmusicmom]

And all these threads keep making me crazy. It's like a bad accident and I just have to rubberneck. Then I wish I hadn't. :lol

OH SO TRUE!!!!! LOVE IT!!!!!!!!

[tammy1999]

I am tired of the media’s obvious bias and support of Obama. I am tired of the negative portrayal of McCain. The media hailed Obama as the new president since the beginning of this year, sugar coating everything and putting him in the best light. Just yesterday I saw an article on CNN.com about how great Obama is and right next to it a very negative ad against McCain. WTF? I am so tired of the Obama worshipping that is going on and his rabbit supporters.
I am so glad when everything is over. At this point I don’t care who wins so long it’s all done and over.

I heard yesterday on the news that McCain has more negative reporting 3 to 1. That is so sad. NBC and Chicken Noodle News have just lost their ever lovin minds.

[tammy1999]

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) addressing liberty over equality, whereas Obama (D) stresses equality over liberty.

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) addressing small government, whereas Obama's (D) plans seem to recommend more government programs and policies.

I see McCain (R) and Barr (L) talking about being responsible for yourself, whereas Obama (D) promotes having the government make the choices.

You couldn't have said it better!!

And lets not forget that McCain want lower taxes and Obama wants to raise taxes.

[kjbstevens]

I've not even watched news in days. I was sick of it except maybe BBC. They really humor me because I think they believe our entire country is just crazy and entertaining.

[Glueless Media]

OH SO TRUE!!!!! LOVE IT!!!!!!!!

Make me stop!!!LOL :madness

[Glueless Media]

I heard yesterday on the news that McCain has more negative reporting 3 to 1. That is so sad. NBC and Chicken Noodle News have just lost their ever lovin minds.

Thats funny---I don't doubt this at all and some wonder why we bury our heads into FOX.:madness As I said once before if we didn't we wouldn't know there was an election. I can't seem to walk away.

[Glueless Media]

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[diannerigdon]

Thought some of you might find this interesting - don't know if it's been shared yet.
http://www.teamsarah.org/

I haven't completely perused the site and probably won't now for a few days. I still have mixed feelings about Palin but I thought you guys might be interested to know that we aren't the only ones who think the so-called news is biased and off kilter. Fuel for the fire. Fan the flames lol.

[Sorashell]

I'm disgusted with, oh, just about everyone. Sigh. From the attacks between the candidates to the biased so-called "news" to the people who keep pretending that they can discuss politics respectfully but obviously can NOT. Can't wait until it's over. I am most disappointed over how everyone (even here) seems to think it's okay to be disrespectful of the "other side". It's fabulous to be passionate, but naive to think your point of view is more "right" just because it's yours and therefore grants you special privileges to be disrespectful of people who hold a different opinion.

Honestly I am definitely conservative, but I am not thrilled with my choices and at this point I prefer to look the other way. I have been through my fair share of presidential elections and at this point in the game I am rarely pleased with any campaign or candidate. It just gets too ugly and quits being about the issues. I am not so naive that I think anyone is a "perfect" candidate (or person, for that matter), but nonetheless I am not enamored of our political process, as it exists. I will continue to vote conservative, even though it doesn't really have the same meaning for everyone, because it seems to fit more closely with my world view, which I seek to protect and preserve.
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