Colin Powell...........

[txmusicmom]

Well he did it-

I take issue with his reasonings......

He is concerned about comments in the Republican party- Well me, too duh-
and in the Democratic Party-

He doesn't want 2 more conservatives voted on the Supreme Court-

Obama speaks well.....

He took great issue to folks saying Obama is a Muslim.........( I don't care if he's a MARTIAN- lol--- of course then he couldn't qualify to run)
Now we know he's not..........

But just because Obama has been the brunt of suggestive prejudice doesn't make him qualified to be President.

I'm extremely disappointed.....but not surprised........

I still don't believe he gave substantive reasons--it was more a vote against the Republican party......

If I felt the best candidate was a Democrat-I'd vote for them.....

:shrug

[sandersmr]

He also said that having an African-American President would be "electrifying". But you know, race isn't playing a part in the presidential election this year. (yeah, right)

[txmusicmom]

He also said that having an African-American President would be "electrifying". But you know, race isn't playing a part in the presidential election this year. (yeah, right)

OK Maggie- I wasn't going to say that---but ..........
I'm glad you did.

So it's racial if a white person WON'T vote for a Black person-
But it's NOT racial for a black person to vote for a black person .....bc he's black.........

A giant step backwards

Electrifying....yes it will electrify my wallet- :lol

[tammy1999]

He also said that having an African-American President would be "electrifying". But you know, race isn't playing a part in the presidential election this year. (yeah, right)

It's so sad to hear people say that but it happens more than we want to admit.

I've decided this year, I am voting against any incumbant for Congress this year where I live. I don't care what party he/she is from. It can't be any worse than it is now. Being in Congress to spend money for votes is NOT why I put them there and I am tired of our government doing what they want to with the money I paid for in taxes.

I know some will say, well, that isn't the answer. Well folks, there hasn't been a good answer in many years now on how to make our government work for the people and not for themselves.

Oh, and I plan on emailing all them before the election and telling them so.

[Keely~B]

Maybe I need to watch it again. I'm sure not seeing what you are.

I got this out of it....

He thinks Obama has a better grasp of the economic crisis.
He doesn't think Palin is qualified to be POTUS.
He thinks the Republican party is leaning too far to the right.
He's wary of very conservative Supreme Court Justice appointments
He doesn't think the McCain/Palin ticket is doing a great job representing all of America ( I took it to mean he doesn't like the divisive nature of the campaign Pro-American vs Anti American)

I didn't hear him say anything in the video about having an African-American POTUS being electrifying, although I agree and don't really understand why that's a negative. Wouldn't you think it was electrifying if a woman was Vice President?

I think pulling the "racist" card is bogus. I see more bigotry coming from the right than the left (my personal opinion)

[Tiffikat]

Those aren't the only reasons Powell listed if you look at CNN they have quoted other reasons which to me make sense.

Powell said he felt Obama was more prepared to deal with the financial crisis. "Obama (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/barack.obama.html) displayed a steadiness, an intellectual curiosity, a depth of knowledge," Powell said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/19/colin.powell/index.html

Overall I have always greatly admired Colin Powell and I think this endorsement is interesting. While I already know that my choice of candidates is the right choice for me and my family and I believe the right choice for America as well it enforces that for me to see someone I admire making the same choice.

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

I pretty much heard it the way Keely did, LOL!

[4noisyboys]

I pretty much heard it the way Keely did, LOL!

I did too Miki, but it doesn't surprise me that others heard it differently. I knew if Colin Powell endorsed him, this is the kind of thing we'd hear.

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

I think he's really disenchanted wit hthe turns the R Party's taken.

[Scorpiosue1102]

I had to watch it for myself :). Colin Powell said he thought Obama would "electrify the nation". Also, when asked by Tom Brokaw that people are going to say that he's voting for him because he's a black man Colin Powell said something to the affect of "then I would have done this 6-8 months ago".

He is definitely disenchanted by the Republican party and the negative ads. To me, Powell had very substantiative answers to why he was supporting Obama.

He also said he would not be campaigning for him and that he does not think Sarah Palin is ready to be President because the sole job of the Vice President is to be President.

[snaggletooth75]

lmao yeah right!!!!!!! lol

My oldest son is mixed race and I have always told him NEVER to use his race as a way to get what he wants or if things dont go his way. Maybe I should change my mind and tell him to use his race when people dont agree with him or to get what he wants cause it seems to be the IN thing to do by people lately. The RACE card is being played WAY to much by Obama supporters. It pisses me off and its low class of people to do.
I dont agree with Powell on what side hes got his balls on but seeing as races stick together ( as its being said and played in this election) did anyone think Powell would really go for mccain??? LMAO
He also said that having an African-American President would be "electrifying". But you know, race isn't playing a part in the presidential election this year. (yeah, right)

[Scorpiosue1102]

I also loved when Powell said something like so many people saying that Obama is a Muslim and he said theoretically, "so what if he was?" FINALLY! Yay Colin Powell.

[Babette]

Maybe I need to watch it again. I'm sure not seeing what you are.

I got this out of it....

He thinks Obama has a better grasp of the economic crisis.
He doesn't think Palin is qualified to be POTUS.
He thinks the Republican party is leaning too far to the right.
He's wary of very conservative Supreme Court Justice appointments
He doesn't think the McCain/Palin ticket is doing a great job representing all of America ( I took it to mean he doesn't like the divisive nature of the campaign Pro-American vs Anti American)

I didn't hear him say anything in the video about having an African-American POTUS being electrifying, although I agree and don't really understand why that's a negative. Wouldn't you think it was electrifying if a woman was Vice President?

I think pulling the "racist" card is bogus. I see more bigotry coming from the right than the left (my personal opinion)

This is how I pretty much heard it. I really got the impression that Powell had put much thought in his decision and was not "pulling the race card" in any way what so ever.

[erica922]

I support Obama 100%

[dodo]

Maybe I need to watch it again. I'm sure not seeing what you are.

I got this out of it....

He thinks Obama has a better grasp of the economic crisis.
He doesn't think Palin is qualified to be POTUS.
He thinks the Republican party is leaning too far to the right.
He's wary of very conservative Supreme Court Justice appointments
He doesn't think the McCain/Palin ticket is doing a great job representing all of America ( I took it to mean he doesn't like the divisive nature of the campaign Pro-American vs Anti American)

I didn't hear him say anything in the video about having an African-American POTUS being electrifying, although I agree and don't really understand why that's a negative. Wouldn't you think it was electrifying if a woman was Vice President?

I think pulling the "racist" card is bogus. I see more bigotry coming from the right than the left (my personal opinion)


think i seen this one to

[dodo]

I had to watch it for myself :). Colin Powell said he thought Obama would "electrify the nation". Also, when asked by Tom Brokaw that people are going to say that he's voting for him because he's a black man Colin Powell said something to the affect of "then I would have done this 6-8 months ago".

He is definitely disenchanted by the Republican party and the negative ads. To me, Powell had very substantiative answers to why he was supporting Obama.

He also said he would not be campaigning for him and that he does not think Sarah Palin is ready to be President because the sole job of the Vice President is to be President.


i think the others heard McCains version of what he said

[tammy1999]

lmao yeah right!!!!!!! lol

My oldest son is mixed race and I have always told him NEVER to use his race as a way to get what he wants or if things dont go his way. Maybe I should change my mind and tell him to use his race when people dont agree with him or to get what he wants cause it seems to be the IN thing to do by people lately. The RACE card is being played WAY to much by Obama supporters. It pisses me off and its low class of people to do.
I dont agree with Powell on what side hes got his balls on but seeing as races stick together ( as its being said and played in this election) did anyone think Powell would really go for mccain??? LMAO

OH MY GOSH!!!! I had to keep looking at your avatar before I finally figured it out. Thats a good one and your comments are right on.

I have seen on local tv from the Atlanta area and people were asked who they were voting on, and there were quite a few that said they were voting on Obama because he was a black man. Right there in living color on tv!!!!

[sandersmr]

i think the others heard McCains version of what he said

It was what was reported on my local news - and I don't think they have come out as supporting one candidate or another - it's what was reported. And we know that the news would ever, ever lie!

[snaggletooth75]

For the fun factor im also making a Mccain one LOL the person who made this one doesnt have one :lol but its not done yet
OH MY GOSH!!!! I had to keep looking at your avatar before I finally figured it out. Thats a good one and your comments are right on.

I have seen on local tv from the Atlanta area and people were asked who they were voting on, and there were quite a few that said they were voting on Obama because he was a black man. Right there in living color on tv!!!!

[Gina.Maria]

OK Maggie- I wasn't going to say that---but ..........
I'm glad you did.

So it's racial if a white person WON'T vote for a Black person-
But it's NOT racial for a black person to vote for a black person .....bc he's black.........

A giant step backwards

Electrifying....yes it will electrify my wallet- :lol

Whoa, whoa, whoa! What makes you think, after hearing everything he had to say, that his sole reason for endorsing and voting for Obama is race?

Will it be electrifying? You bet! We've been discounting the value of our minority-Americans for too long and acknowledging his strength and ability in this way goes a long way to saying we really believe in equality for all Americans.

But, would I vote for him just to unify our melting-pot of cultures? Heck no! I'll vote for him because he's the better choice - for me.

[Tiffikat]

It really seems to me that I hear McCain supporters complaining about the race card wayyyyyyyyyy more than I hear/see Obama supporters mentioning it at all. Personally I'm rather sick of seeing it mentioned so much.

[txmusicmom]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! What makes you think, after hearing everything he had to say, that his sole reason for endorsing and voting for Obama is race?

I DO NOT THINK IT'S HIS SOLE REASON....NOT AT ALL

Will it be electrifying? You bet! We've been discounting the value of our minority-Americans for too long and acknowledging his strength and ability in this way goes a long way to saying we really believe in equality for all Americans.

I WOULD VOTE FOR CONDALISA RICE, ALAN KEYS, OR COLIN POWELL ( WELL MAY HAVE TO RETHINK THAT ONE) I JUST DON'T THINK OBAMA IS QUALIFIED

But, would I vote for him just to unify our melting-pot of cultures? Heck no! I'll vote for him because he's the better choice - for me.


ELECTRIFYING?? Again for me that is no reason to vote for him- I want substance.

JUST my thoughts........

[txmusicmom]

Personally I heard it from his mouth- I watched it this morning.

:) I don't need anyone to tell me how to think about it.

[Scorpiosue1102]

I guess I'm kind of dumbfounded. We've become a country where no ones word means anything. Colin Powell has said that this is not about race. He has made his statements on why he is not supporting McCain and why he is supporting Barack Obama.

Colin Powell has lead the Joint Chiefs of Staff and been Secretary of State. He knows how the military works and has worked with heads of state from many different countries. He also put his own reputation on the line when he went in front of the U.N. regarding WMD's. I would think he has a pretty good grasp of what the issues are and who, in his opinion, would handle them best.


My question: Do people truly believe he has picked Obama only because he's black?

[~ashleigh]

From the NBC transcript:

MR. BROKAW: And you are fully aware that there will be some--how many, no one can say for sure--but there will be some who will say this is an African-American, distinguished American, supporting another African-American because of race.

GEN. POWELL: If I had only had that in mind, I could have done this six, eight, 10 months ago. I really have been going back and forth between somebody I have the highest respect and regard for, John McCain, and somebody I was getting to know, Barack Obama. And it was only in the last couple of months that I settled on this. And I can't deny that it will be a historic event for an African-American to become president. And should that happen, all Americans should be proud--not just African-Americans, but all Americans--that we have reached this point in our national history where such a thing could happen. It will also not only electrify our country, I think it'll electrify the world.

[Keely~B]

Personally I heard it from his mouth- I watched it this morning.

:) I don't need anyone to tell me how to think about it.

I don't think anyone is trying to tell you what to think. I think maybe some of us are just a little confused and wondering why a statement like that given along side many reasons for his choice would make you think that his decision is based on race.

A lot of people make uneducated decisions about their votes. I'm sure there will be people who vote for Obama because he is black, just like some will cast their vote for the McCain ticket because there's a woman on it.

Of course you are free to believe whatever you want, just like I am.

[~ashleigh]

I do not take the above quote as proof that Powell is supporting Obama because of his race. It seems to me, that race played no part in his decision.

[Tiffikat]

I guess for me I just cannot see a man with as much knowledge and experience as Colin Powell making such an important decision based upon race alone and personally I find it rather reaching of people to think that he is. I'm not trying to be offensive or anything, it just seems odd that so many other reasons for choosing Obama are ignored in order to say he's choosing based upon race. To ME that seems as though the ones stating he chose based on race are the ones playing the race card, not Colin Powell.

[Natalie]

Saying that having an African-American as president would be electrifying can not in any way genuinely be miscontrued to mean that (any) AA should be president, which is sort of the gist of some of the arguments above.

I've mentioned before - I've been on the fence as my views are just slightly to the right of center. But a few things come to mind, irrespective of my views of the candidates. When I saw images from the DNC, I saw what seemed to be a true cross-section of the American people. All colors and ages, and a lot of ...electricity, you know? None of that means that those people aren't informed; on the contrary, I've found that some of my formerly apolitical (and, for the record, caucasian) friends are really, really paying attention - they watched both parties' conventions and all the debates, they've studied the candidates' positions on various issues, and they're talking to everyone. They're not just jumping on a bandwagon.

OTOH, when I looked at images from the RNC, I ...didn't see the same cross-section of the American people. Perhaps there was some variety among social classes, but no one can credibly argue that the audience was representative of all of the people in this country. And as much as my views tend to trend toward libertarian ideals, the Republican party - formerly the one which espoused the notion of "small government" - really doesn't represent that anymore.

I was leaning toward McCain, perhaps because of his seniority and experience, but when he selected an extraordinarily unqualified, and extremely right-wing, running partner, he lost my vote. And Powell has it right - I've heard so much negativity and "crap" from Palin, and I hope - as much as it'll mean that a more-left-than-I'd-prefer presidency - that she and McCain don't get a chance to swing the Supreme Court any further to the right than it is right now.

I don't think there is even one little bit of racist thinking in Powell's decision, but I won't be terribly surprised if those who consider themselves to be progressively right-wing will use Powell's endorsement as anything other than a racial decision. For all of us who've said we'd be thrilled to have Powell as president, it's time to step back and consider why we have had such faith in his ability, and trust that any endorsement he makes is solely the result of careful, thoughtful, genuine analysis. An "electrifying" president is just a bonus, and perhaps, indeed, what our country needs.

President Lincoln's words, not ironically, apply right now, I think:

"With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds.... "

and, upon dedication of military cemetary at Gettysburg,

"that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain--that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom--and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

[vegaschristina]

President Lincoln's words, not ironically, apply right now, I think:

"With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds.... "

and, upon dedication of military cemetary at Gettysburg,

"that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain--that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom--and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Truer words have rarely been spoken.

[Keely~B]

Natalie!!! :wub

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

I guess I'm kind of dumbfounded. We've become a country where no ones word means anything. Colin Powell has said that this is not about race. He has made his statements on why he is not supporting McCain and why he is supporting Barack Obama.

Colin Powell has lead the Joint Chiefs of Staff and been Secretary of State. He knows how the military works and has worked with heads of state from many different countries. He also put his own reputation on the line when he went in front of the U.N. regarding WMD's. I would think he has a pretty good grasp of what the issues are and who, in his opinion, would handle them best.


My question: Do people truly believe he has picked Obama only because he's black?

I think some do- and nothing anyone says will change their minds.

[Tiffikat]

Well said Natalie!

[alansrock]

I just have to chime in and say that I have lost all respect for Powell, I guess he is a politician now versus a military marvel as he once was. I give his endorsement 2 thumbs down.

[vegaschristina]

I just have to chime in and say that I have lost all respect for Powell, I guess he is a politician now versus a military marvel as he once was. I give his endorsement 2 thumbs down.

Wow. I have the utmost respect for Powell. He's endorsed Obama, but even if he had endorsed McCain, I'd still respect him for his many accomplishments. I'm stunned that you would lose respect for Powell because he's practiced his constitutionally-protected freedom of speech and said who he feels would be a better president. Sad, really.

[Tiffikat]

I can't help but think that all of those who are upset with Colin Powell would be thrilled if he endorsed McCain and would be discussing how important that is.

I know had Powell endorsed McCain it likely wouldn't have changed my mind to vote for Obama, but it would have given me a more confident feeling if McCain were to win the election.

[ayaandjudah]

I feel badly for POwell. Here he is a prominent black man, one of the most prominent politically in this generation. His opinions are trusted by many. He WANTED to vote for McCain, you could practically hear it in his voice. he wanted to want to vote for him so that he wouldn't have to hear the "you're voting for Obama because he's black" comments. He tried and tried but the party he loves continued to drift farther and farther to the right and then the whole Palin thing and McCain's botched message on the economy. Now he's sitting there wondering "how am I going to convince people that I am voting Obama because I really want to".

What bad position for him. He's going against the party because he believes its the right thing to do, its what he truly believes and now he has to defend his motives? Poor guy......

Go Obama, this white woman is voting for you despite the fact that the other guy is white...........

It was what was reported on my local news - and I don't think they have come out as supporting one candidate or another - it's what was reported. And we know that the news would ever, ever lie!

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

To ME that seems as though the ones stating he chose based on race are the ones playing the race card, not Colin Powell.

:clap

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

For all of us who've said we'd be thrilled to have Powell as president, it's time to step back and consider why we have had such faith in his ability, and trust that any endorsement he makes is solely the result of careful, thoughtful, genuine analysis. An "electrifying" president is just a bonus, and perhaps, indeed, what our country needs.

President Lincoln's words, not ironically, apply right now, I think:

"With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds.... "

and, upon dedication of military cemetary at Gettysburg,

"that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain--that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom--and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Wow- spot on Natalie!

[Gina.Maria]

Well, that just goes to show how fickle the party is if they'll jump ship on one of their "favorite sons" because he doesn't toe the party line and endorse the party candidate. Powell was suggested as a favored presidential candidate by someone in this very forum with some support from others - how is it that he's now a racist sell-out? I've got to say that if Hilary had decided to throw her support to McCain, I'd obviously be puzzled but I'd respect her choice and study her reasons for doing so. I'd never jump to the conclusion that it was because he's white or that his running mate is female.

[Scorpiosue1102]

I just have to chime in and say that I have lost all respect for Powell, I guess he is a politician now versus a military marvel as he once was. I give his endorsement 2 thumbs down.

I guess I would ask what your reasoning as to why you have lost respect for him? Do you feel similarly about Joe Lieberman who after losing his Democratic primary became an Independent?

[Sharia Braxton]

I just have to chime in and say that I have lost all respect for Powell, I guess he is a politician now versus a military marvel as he once was. I give his endorsement 2 thumbs down.

Why would this be? The loss of respect?

[snaggletooth75]

Lieberman is a DILLHOLE. I have met the jackass and have personally talked to him. He cant even keep what hes for or against to save his ass.
I still respect Powell cause he was a damn good military man i just question where his balls are thats all. No matter what color his balls are LOL I just feel that there is to much of a color issue or the fact that palin is too pretty to be a vp :lol I dont give a rats ass if she had a snaggletooth like I do I dont care that Obama is part black ( so is MY child) I will not change my vote out of fear that i will be condemed a racist cause Im voting for a white president. Even in McCain was a diff race ID STILL vote for him.
I will never teach my child to be SO low class as to say hey im black i deserve this spot or this student loan or this job. That is ALL i read about is this person is racist cause they arent voting Obama. Im done with the whole election. Screw it.

I guess I would ask what your reasoning as to why you have lost respect for him? Do you feel similarly about Joe Lieberman who after losing his Democratic primary became an Independent?

[Gina.Maria]

Tell us how you really feel. :D

[Tiffikat]

When has anyone said that those not voting for Obama must be racist? I hear this over and over from MCCAIN supporters, but I have yet to hear anyone I know say this.

[snaggletooth75]

YES!!!! In my state YES!! I have been told im racist cause my son is part mixed that by not voting for Obama I am racist. If I was racist my son wouldnt be mixed SIMPLE AS THAT :mad Could it be that I DONT AGREE with him or like him. There are some ignorant asses out there and thats why I am disgusted. I am not saying anyone on here said this to me. And I am going to tell people how I really feel cause I think some people have blinders on to what happens state to state with this election and are living in a happiness fantasy land.
I have read the glorified versions of how Obama is 2nd to god and I respect people feel that way and how honest they are being. . We are ALL gonna disagree on this election.
When has anyone said that those not voting for Obama must be racist? I hear this over and over from MCCAIN supporters, but I have yet to hear anyone I know say this.

[snaggletooth75]

I will say that Obama is a GREAT speaker. I cant speak in public LOL

[scrapper_gal]

I will say that I believe Powell's endorsement of Obama - if it is truly as thoughtful and deliberate as he says it is (and I have no reason to believe it is not) - helps those of us oppose Obama feel a bit less nervous if he were to actually win.

On second thought maybe that was Powell's plan all along...maybe he is a GOP plant who has seen the writing on the wall and has begun to accept the fact that Obama may actually take up residence in the White House. His job is to make us all feel better about his positions on national security and defense. ;)

[dodo]

Lieberman is a DILLHOLE. I have met the jackass and have personally talked to him. He cant even keep what hes for or against to save his ass.
I still respect Powell cause he was a damn good military man i just question where his balls are thats all. No matter what color his balls are LOL I just feel that there is to much of a color issue or the fact that palin is too pretty to be a vp :lol I dont give a rats ass if she had a snaggletooth like I do I dont care that Obama is part black ( so is MY child) I will not change my vote out of fear that i will be condemed a racist cause Im voting for a white president. Even in McCain was a diff race ID STILL vote for him.
I will never teach my child to be SO low class as to say hey im black i deserve this spot or this student loan or this job. That is ALL i read about is this person is racist cause they arent voting Obama. Im done with the whole election. Screw it.


If that ia all you read then you spend way to much time reading between the lines and not the wriyyrn words that really count.

[snaggletooth75]

Kinda hard to read between the lines when it has been verbally told to my face in RL.
I mean to say read or hear.
Trust me i base more stuff off how people offline act in regards to the election
If that ia all you read then you spend way to much time reading between the lines and not the wriyyrn words that really count.

[Tiffikat]

I think it is important to not assume everyone is that way though or that the people on this board think that way, which to many I believe is how it sounds.

[Kater07]

Maybe I need to watch it again. I'm sure not seeing what you are.

I got this out of it....

He thinks Obama has a better grasp of the economic crisis.
He doesn't think Palin is qualified to be POTUS.
He thinks the Republican party is leaning too far to the right.
He's wary of very conservative Supreme Court Justice appointments
He doesn't think the McCain/Palin ticket is doing a great job representing all of America ( I took it to mean he doesn't like the divisive nature of the campaign Pro-American vs Anti American)

I didn't hear him say anything in the video about having an African-American POTUS being electrifying, although I agree and don't really understand why that's a negative. Wouldn't you think it was electrifying if a woman was Vice President?

I think pulling the "racist" card is bogus. I see more bigotry coming from the right than the left (my personal opinion)

Ditto - That is exactly what I got out of it too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efv3Vr8T9MA Here's a link if anyone needs it.

I really appreciate that he didn't condemn either of them, and he even said that either of the presidential candidates would do a good job. He's voting for Obama. It's his personal choice, just like who I vote for is MY personal choice. Yes, his endorsement WILL sway votes. That's why he was on this morning.

I thought these points were great, and they are part of why I'm voting Obama/Biden.

[snaggletooth75]

I did say this in what i said you can go back and reread:
I am not saying anyone on here said this to me.

SO if anyone is taking that way IT WASNT meant that way:clap:yahoo;):D

I think it is important to not assume everyone is that way though or that the people on this board think that way, which to many I believe is how it sounds.

[hellosunshine]

I am just so thrilled! It's nice to have someone such as Colin Powell confirm my own conclusions about the differences between the Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin tickets.

Since no one here is a racist, can we move on and let those who are just sink in their own misery?

[Stephanie Ogren]

As a Republican, I still respect and admire Colin Powell and always will (and always have). I think he made a choice based on what he thinks is best. That's commendable and brave.

[caridura]

Maybe I need to watch it again. I'm sure not seeing what you are.

I got this out of it....

He thinks Obama has a better grasp of the economic crisis.
He doesn't think Palin is qualified to be POTUS.
He thinks the Republican party is leaning too far to the right.
He's wary of very conservative Supreme Court Justice appointments
He doesn't think the McCain/Palin ticket is doing a great job representing all of America ( I took it to mean he doesn't like the divisive nature of the campaign Pro-American vs Anti American)

I didn't hear him say anything in the video about having an African-American POTUS being electrifying, although I agree and don't really understand why that's a negative. Wouldn't you think it was electrifying if a woman was Vice President?

I think pulling the "racist" card is bogus. I see more bigotry coming from the right than the left (my personal opinion)

I totally agree. He laid out several reasons as to why he is voting for Obama and I think overall, he isn't happy with the direction of the GOP.

Also, I believe he had already donated money to the McCain campaign earlier this year. I really don't think he is voting for Obama because he is African American. Does that mean Joe Lieberman (former Democratic VP candidate) is only voting for McCain because he's white? I think it's an unfair assumption. If that were the reason for Powell's endorsement, he would've endorsed him months and months ago. He came across as being very fair in his interview and IMO, he just thinks at this point, Obama is the better option.

I also was very impressed that he asked "What if he WAS Muslim? Is that not allowed in this country?". I've been asking myself that for months now.

[4noisyboys]

I support Obama 100%

Erica....I haven't even gotten through all the posts for today while I was at work, but I just have to say I love when you post. You never change!!! Love ya!!!:wub

[snaggletooth75]

Lieberman will vote for whoever will make his politcal career better not for what he believes in. Which would be just as bad as someone voting for race or gender. I have met this man personally and he makes me gag. He says one thing then does something different.:badmoodI am SO glad noone picked him to be a VP candidate this time around.

I totally agree. He laid out several reasons as to why he is voting for Obama and I think overall, he isn't happy with the direction of the GOP.

Also, I believe he had already donated money to the McCain campaign earlier this year. I really don't think he is voting for Obama because he is African American. Does that mean Joe Lieberman (former Democratic VP candidate) is only voting for McCain because he's white? I think it's an unfair assumption. If that were the reason for Powell's endorsement, he would've endorsed him months and months ago. He came across as being very fair in his interview and IMO, he just thinks at this point, Obama is the better option.

I also was very impressed that he asked "What if he WAS Muslim? Is that not allowed in this country?". I've been asking myself that for months now.

[4noisyboys]

OH MY GOSH!!!! I had to keep looking at your avatar before I finally figured it out. Thats a good one and your comments are right on.

I have seen on local tv from the Atlanta area and people were asked who they were voting on, and there were quite a few that said they were voting on Obama because he was a black man. Right there in living color on tv!!!!

And there are others that will vote for McCain just because he is a white man. Maybe they just won't come out and say it though!

I think I said this in a earlier thread...It doesn't matter if Colin Powell comes out to support Obama. The Repulicans will twist and turn this to suit their fancy.

[4noisyboys]

Natalie!!! :wub

Ditto here!!! :wub

[strangejen]

since we're already talking about race in this thread and I don't want to make just my one comment a whole thread, I'll post it here.

I found out today that an older couple I know (in their 70s) who have ALWAYS voted Democrat, voted for McCain in early voting.

The wife couldn't bring herself to vote for a black man.
The husband honestly believes that Obama is a Muslim.

They very frankly told my mom those things were their primary decision makers to vote against their party. So, so sad.

*ETA: I honestly wish I were making this up. And I don't want to bash on southerners at all, being a transplant here and loving the area, but these folks have lived their whole lives in TN and KY, and I can't say that didn't influence it a bit for them. When you grow up with something in the 40s, 50s, 60s . . . you (often times) just can't get past it.

[HLWalter725]

since we're already talking about race in this thread and I don't want to make just my one comment a whole thread, I'll post it here.

I found out today that an older couple I know (in their 70s) who have ALWAYS voted Democrat, voted for McCain in early voting.

The wife couldn't bring herself to vote for a black man.
The husband honestly believes that Obama is a Muslim.

They very frankly told my mom those things were their primary decision makers to vote against their party. So, so sad.

*ETA: I honestly wish I were making this up. And I don't want to bash on southerners at all, being a transplant here and loving the area, but these folks have lived their whole lives in TN and KY, and I can't say that didn't influence it a bit for them. When you grow up with something in the 40s, 50s, 60s . . . you (often times) just can't get past it.

This makes me very sad.:(

I do believe that the ignorant people who will vote this way are going to cancel out the ignorant people who are voting for Obama just because of his race.

Either way it is wrong!!!

[LindsaysMom]

I got one for you:
I spoke to a patient of mine, an elderly black lady, who will not vote for Obama because he's not black enough. :shrug

[scrapper_gal]

I got one for you:
I spoke to a patient of mine, an elderly black lady, who will not vote for Obama because he's not black enough. :shrug

So what are her other choices then?

[Tiffikat]

I've actually heard of other people saying that also.

[lkmorris]

I will not be voting for Obama, because I don't believe it would be in my best fiscal interest. But, if he is elected, I will be excited and proud for this country. Does that make sense?

[Tiffikat]

Lori that completely makes sense and I can definitely understand that reasoning.

[Scorpiosue1102]

since we're already talking about race in this thread and I don't want to make just my one comment a whole thread, I'll post it here.

I found out today that an older couple I know (in their 70s) who have ALWAYS voted Democrat, voted for McCain in early voting.

The wife couldn't bring herself to vote for a black man.
The husband honestly believes that Obama is a Muslim.

They very frankly told my mom those things were their primary decision makers to vote against their party. So, so sad.

*ETA: I honestly wish I were making this up. And I don't want to bash on southerners at all, being a transplant here and loving the area, but these folks have lived their whole lives in TN and KY, and I can't say that didn't influence it a bit for them. When you grow up with something in the 40s, 50s, 60s . . . you (often times) just can't get past it.


That is truly sad. I can only hope that younger generations can see how huge this is for our country that that kind of thinking won't happen for very much longer. Hopefully the fact that seeing a woman and a black man on the top of the ticket will make way to someone of another race, religion and maybe even a gay man or woman. One can only hope.

[dodo]

I will not be voting for Obama, because I don't believe it would be in my best fiscal interest. But, if he is elected, I will be excited and proud for this country. Does that make sense?


It makes about the most sense in this hole thread and many others. Although you believe that McCain is the man you think will lead your country best you don't feel that Obama will totally destroy it and you would be proud of your country coming this far as to vote for a black man . Good for you.
dodo

[lunafaerie]

I will not be voting for Obama, because I don't believe it would be in my best fiscal interest. But, if he is elected, I will be excited and proud for this country. Does that make sense?

Sounds like sense to me Lori! Thanks for sharing :)

[Stephanie Ogren]

I will not be voting for Obama, because I don't believe it would be in my best fiscal interest. But, if he is elected, I will be excited and proud for this country. Does that make sense?

OMG! I feel that way too :lol!

[photojenic]

I like Powell, and I've always wished he would run for President. However, while I respect his opinion I still won't be voting for Obama. (I'm not thrilled with McCain either.)

I have a whole host of reasons why I'm not for Obama, but a big one for me is that I cannot support someone with his record on abortion. I'm sure it's been hashed and rehashed on the list, so I won't go into details. :p

I also find it interesting that history may be somewhat repeating itself. The black men were given the right to vote before white women; and a black man may be elected President before a white woman. Race and gender don't make any difference to me, but I find it interesting nonetheless.

[phenomshel]

This may have already been said, I'm not sure, so if I'm repeating, please forgive.
This election will be "electrifying" no matter WHO wins it. One ticket has an African-American, and one has a woman.
We have had a woman poised for VP before, but not win it. (Geraldine Ferraro).

Personally, at this point I don't even care anymore who wins. Yes, I plan to vote, and I know who I am voting for, but seriously, I just want it to be over.

[movefearlessly]

When has anyone said that those not voting for Obama must be racist? I hear this over and over from MCCAIN supporters, but I have yet to hear anyone I know say this.

plenty of people - black and white - have been interviewed on local stations here in Virginia stating in no uncertain terms that anyone not voting for Obama, no matter what reason they give, must be factoring race into their decision. there has been a conspicuous lack of mention of the flip side of this coin. it's disturbing.

there was a 12-year old girl in Florida who was called a racist by one of her classmates because she was wearing a Palin t-shirt.

please remember that because you have a certain view of things doesn't mean there is no reason for others to have the views they have. those reasons may have little or nothing to do with reason per se; this makes them no less compelling.

[Sharia Braxton]

I got one for you:
I spoke to a patient of mine, an elderly black lady, who will not vote for Obama because he's not black enough. :shrug

I've heard this before as well, and let me just say...sooo not the drama (quote, kim possible).

I have to say, I think either way is wrong, voting for or against anyone based on race is just wrong, but voting for a person based on real reasons and being proud that person is a member or your race/ethnicity/gender is just a natural thing, and I think sometimes people are overzealous about that pride and it can come across as being a race based vote. I think General Powell nailed in his list all good reasons for supporting Sen. Obama and he expressed the historical significance of Sen Obama's bid for the presidency race-wise only after he listed those reason. That's the way of most of the people I know...but I DO know some that are voting because he's black.

I'm an Obama supporter because I believe in his politics, in his stands on the issues that concern me, but am I super hyped that he's a black man THIS CLOSE to the highest office in our country - yer damn skippy I am. Would have been happy with Hillary and excited about her gender...but this...this....is different on a level I can't explain.

GoBama!!! Go Middle America!!!! Go History Making Election Season!!!!

If Sen Obama wins, maybe i'll take some of my saved money in lower taxes and fly up to see my girl Stephanie Ogren. We can order drinks and toast both our candidates (i'll let you sob on my shoulder if Obama gets it and I'll bawl on yours if McCain) hahah (j/k about the crying stuff)

[scribler]

plenty of people - black and white - have been interviewed on local stations here in Virginia stating in no uncertain terms that anyone not voting for Obama, no matter what reason they give, must be factoring race into their decision. there has been a conspicuous lack of mention of the flip side of this coin. it's disturbing.

there was a 12-year old girl in Florida who was called a racist by one of her classmates because she was wearing a Palin t-shirt.

please remember that because you have a certain view of things doesn't mean there is no reason for others to have the views they have. those reasons may have little or nothing to do with reason per se; this makes them no less compelling.

I remember a Time article right after Obama became the Democratic nominee (this was before the convention) stating that some voters would not vote for Obama because of their racist views and that some people would not even realize that is why they wouldn't vote for Obama. Definitely insinuating that if you didn't vote for Obama, you may well be a racist. And I just don't think that's fair.

[Gina.Maria]

I will not be voting for Obama, because I don't believe it would be in my best fiscal interest. But, if he is elected, I will be excited and proud for this country. Does that make sense?

That's one of the most profound and healing statements I've read in this forum. Thank you.

[photojenic]

GoBama!!! Go Middle America!!!! Go History Making Election Season!!!!

I don't understand.... Obama isn't middle class, especially coming from a two-lawyer family. Or did you mean middle America in a geographic sense? :headscratch

[Charlene]

I'm feeling really happy that my emotional post got eaten last night. Some of these responses make me sad :(

I will not be voting for Obama, because I don't believe it would be in my best fiscal interest. But, if he is elected, I will be excited and proud for this country. Does that make sense?

That's one of the most profound and healing statements I've read in this forum. Thank you.

I agree, totally :)

[Chreamps]

I think Sharia meant it in the sense that Obama is FOR middle America?

[Charlene]

I don't understand.... Obama isn't middle class, especially coming from a two-lawyer family. Or did you mean middle America in a geographic sense? :headscratch

I agree that he is no longer middle class; however, he is for the middle class.

[Chreamps]

On Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_el_pr/obama;_ylt=Atm3TM9ED1i0PcZdiS7vwlys0NUE) this morning:


WASHINGTON – Colin Powell will have a role as a top presidential adviser in an Obama administration, the Democratic White House hopeful said Monday.

[4noisyboys]

I don't understand.... Obama isn't middle class, especially coming from a two-lawyer family. Or did you mean middle America in a geographic sense? :headscratch

He was raised (and his wife was too) in a middle class family. The fact that they have worked hard and achieved what they have does not remove them from caring about and working for the middle class (and below). Unlike John McCain and his wife which are both from money...the likes of which most of us will never see. Most of us struggle to have one home, let alone seven!

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

On Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_el_pr/obama;_ylt=Atm3TM9ED1i0PcZdiS7vwlys0NUE) this morning:

I'm seeing Sec. of State or Defense. What do you think? Do you see Hillary on the cabinet at all?

[Stephanie Ogren]

If Sen Obama wins, maybe i'll take some of my saved money in lower taxes and fly up to see my girl Stephanie Ogren. We can order drinks and toast both our candidates (i'll let you sob on my shoulder if Obama gets it and I'll bawl on yours if McCain) hahah (j/k about the crying stuff)

:lol:lol Who says we can't all get along??? I'll use some of my saved taxes (from a McCain win of course) to buy you a stunning gift! :p
Love ya hun!

[Chreamps]

I'm seeing Sec. of State or Defense. What do you think? Do you see Hillary on the cabinet at all?I wouldn't be surprised on posts for either of them. I hear Hillary has been talking with him about health care. Although, I've also seen where she has said she wants to concentrate on being a good senator and that she would not run in 2012. You never know.

[Sharia Braxton]

I think Sharia meant it in the sense that Obama is FOR middle America?

right-o

[photojenic]

I don't understand.... Obama isn't middle class, especially coming from a two-lawyer family. Or did you mean middle America in a geographic sense? :headscratch

Idiotic pre-coffee comment. :p

Move along. Nothing to see here!

[scribler]

I'm seeing Sec. of State or Defense. What do you think? Do you see Hillary on the cabinet at all?

I don't see Hillary being in Obama's cabinet. I get the sense that those two don't like each other much.

[kjbstevens]

If I felt the best candidate was a Democrat-I'd vote for them.....:shrug
I haven't read any of the other stuff yet but I totally agree with this. I don't think a lot of the problems the democrats have would have been an issue if Hillary had been a candidate. She and her ties are already well known and has been through the public eye. There is nothing really new on her and she her ideas are so much more reasonable and might actually get passed. I had no issues with her other than being a democrat. :p

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

I don't see Hillary being in Obama's cabinet. I get the sense that those two don't like each other much.

You have a point there. Though Attorney General would be a nice post for her.

[kjbstevens]

I agree that he is no longer middle class; however, he is for the middle class.
See I never saw this from him. I thought he's been doing the fighting for the lower class from anything he was saying?

I don't think Hillary will get any part of his administration either. If he was doing the right thing for the country or the party he'd have picked her to start with for what I believe. Instead he picked the person that best suited him and his own needs to balance his flaws. Unless she is put on the stuff for healthcare I don't see her fitting in very well. McCain's been using her for tax stuff. I doubt Obama looks upon that very well either. I think she'll stay in the Senate.

[Charlene]

See I never saw this from him. I thought he's been doing the fighting for the lower class from anything he was saying?

I don't think Hillary will get any part of his administration either. If he was doing the right thing for the country or the party he'd have picked her to start with for what I believe. Instead he picked the person that best suited him and his own needs to balance his flaws. Unless she is put on the stuff for healthcare I don't see her fitting in very well. McCain's been using her for tax stuff. I doubt Obama looks upon that very well either. I think she'll stay in the Senate.


If you want to break it down by class, then I’d say Obama is working for anyone who makes less $250K. Even that’s not quite right, IMO, though on paper it may seem like that. His belief, which I happen to agree with, is that a strong middle class will impart a strong overall economy.

I don’t know if Hilary will be a significant part of this admin but I do know that I totally disagree with the sentiment expressed upthread that Hilary would have clenched the deal in any way. I’m not the only democrat who would have had a VERY hard time voting for her. I was thrilled when Obama won the nomination. There is a reason he won the nomination. If Hilary had won, I’m not sure who I would be voting for at this point.

[kjbstevens]

See we had a few friends that after she lost and he picked Biden won't even look at what he stands for. She was #2 and I think usually it's good to pick them because it shows a good amount of the country in your party that doesn't like you likes them. It evens out with give and take in the party which they've all seemed to lose focus on what is best for the masses and not just self. McCain is guilty of picking random too. I wish he'd kept Huckabee because of his tax stances even if he one of those social crazies that make me cringe in the Republican party. Then again he ended up picking one anyways so guess that didn't matter.

It's not people that make under $250k, only families. You have to be married and have kids to get those extra tax cuts that move it up to $250k. I still find that the oddest amount though. Our median income per household in my town according to Wikipedia is $28,938 and that is very middle class here. The price differences in areas is just crazy. Our income looks really low but land and housing is pretty cheap to where you can own a home with that income. Not a big one, but you still can.

I think Powell would be a good person for Obama to keep around. Since he really has very little experience bringing in someone that even if he is a Republican he really isn't a political guy. Maybe he can keep some common sense in his plans. I think he'd be a great pick if he was ever willing to do it again.

[Charlene]

Oh, I agree. I also know a number of people who are upset that Hilary didn't get the nom. and were originally not voting Obama for that reason alone (some have since changed their mind). Then again, I know a lot of people like me too, so it's hard to say if Obama would have been smarter to pick her. Obviously, I think Obama's choice for VP is great.

I thought that the $250K cut off was for individuals or families filing jointly? In any case, I doubt it was random. It's low enough to capture 5%-ish of the population (so significant) but high enough to exlude and, presumably, appeal to a significant % of the voting population. That's just speculation on my part though.

Anyway, yeah, we're supposed to be talking about Powell! I agree, I think he (Powell) can bring a lot to the table and was pleased to see his nod in Obama's favor. I think a lot (hopefully not most) of people will attribute it entirely to skin color and not take it seriously, no matter what Powell said to the contrary. That? Well, it is what it is.

[Gina.Maria]

I'm seeing Sec. of State or Defense. What do you think? Do you see Hillary on the cabinet at all?

My understanding is that Colin Powell won't accept a Cabinet-level position after his experience with Bush and they're proposing another type of high-level advisory position.

As for Hillary, she was on CNN last night saying (to my mind), (Don't ask me to serve in your Cabinet because)"We need our senators right now." And then something about fillibusters... (I was falling asleep as I heard it and popped back up in time to catch the gist of it.) To me, it sounded like a clear message that she doesn't want to be specifically associated with his administration so she'll have deniability when she runs in 2012 or 2016. (Yeah, she doesn't plan to run like I don't plan to color my hair any more. ;)) I think Cabinet members can become marginalized and discounted as potential candidates for President and she's smart enough to avoid that. Plus, she's right - losing Democratic Senators does nothing for a Democratic administration. We'd already be losing two if Obama and Biden take office.

[kjbstevens]

I think if she is going to run again that yeah she would be crazy to take a cabinet job. It's what is going to probably ruin Rice even as brilliant as a person as she is.

[scribler]

(Yeah, she doesn't plan to run like I don't plan to color my hair any more. ;))

ROFLOL. I really like that line. :O)

I would have voted for Hillary had she won, so I don't want her to do anything that would ruin her chances next time around. But I don't think it's an issue, cause I don't believe he'll ask her. And I believe she knows it, which is why she said what she did.

[Chreamps]

Well, I believe in "never say never". Look how McCain embraced Bush after what he did to him in the 2000 election.

[Scorpiosue1102]

They're going to keep every Senator in the Senate because it is possible, not likely, but possible that there could be 60 Democratic senators. Plus, if Obama wins there's two senators gone.

The think that upsets me with all of this is how McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis said this of Colin Powell today (on the Morning Joe show) "Look, I doubt if Colin Powell is equipped to do a whole lot of political prognostication." Really? If you look up McCain Powell ticket many news stations thought this would be a dream ticket. Conservatives wanted this. The man was the head of the Joints Chief of Staff and the Secretary of State, but now he's not "equipped to do a whole lot of political prognostication". I'm sorry, but I call sour grapes.

[kjbstevens]

I personally wouldn't have wanted it. It is more of a war ticket than anything. 2 military people running together is not a good idea.

[kjbstevens]

I personally wouldn't have wanted it. It is more of a war ticket than anything. 2 military people running together is not a good idea with so much else going on.