What do you think Palin is saying here????

[Scorpiosue1102]

This was from Sarah Palin's speech today in Iowa.

"See, under a big government, more tax agenda, what you thought was yours would really start belonging to somebody else, to everybody else. If you thought your income, your property, your inventory, your investments were, were yours, they would really collectively belong to everybody. Obama, Barack Obama has an ideological commitment to higher taxes, and I say this based on his record... Higher taxes, more government, misusing the power to tax leads to government moving into the role of some believing that government then has to take care of us. And government kind of moving into the role as the other half of our family, making decisions for us. Now, they do this in other countries where the people are not free. Let us fight for what is right. John McCain and I, we will put our trust in you."

It sounds like they've gone right into Communism and skipped over Socialism. I'm sorry, but this is truly scary. Are we to believe then that we are not going to be free under Barack Obama if he wins?

I'm not trying to stir up trouble, but out of anything this is REALLY troubling to me. I think John McCain is a good man, but what is she thinking?

I can't sleep LOL. From Linda Richman: "Rhode Island is neither a road nor is it an island. Discuss."

[Chreamps]

That's what it sounds like to me, too, Sue. Is this that rogue thing we've been reading about coming from her or is this coming from his campaign I wonder.:shrug

[Scorpiosue1102]

I found the YouTube video. It looks like she reading from notes. There's another part of a YouTube video from this same rally where it looks like she's reading from the teleprompter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF5ZkgNNBQE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JcVeabIOwY

[Gina.Maria]

OMG! Is she really suggesting Communism or is she saying that countries like Canada, Germany, France and the UK aren't really FREE?!? Either way, she's completely lost the plot. WTF!?!

[Haley64]

Well she is really good at leaving out and twisting certain facts and adding her own spin on things. She has been doing this since the beginning.

[EveRecinella]

OMG! Is she really suggesting Communism or is she saying that countries like Canada, Germany, France and the UK aren't really FREE?!? Either way, she's completely lost the plot. WTF!?!

Seriously!! :eek

[Tiffikat]

Nothing she says surprises me anymore. The only thing that does surprise me is that she gets respect from people still and they believe the drivel that comes out of her mouth. I can deal with it if McCain becomes President, but he better have the best doctors and healthcare in the world because if he dies I am very worried about what will happen to our country.

[kjbstevens]

Well it's the half and half problem. Either we should go to a fully nationalized system so that everyone's needs at met by raising our taxes and letting the gov't take over aspects of our lives that were once free will or they need to back off, lower taxes, limit their power, and let people have their free choice back. The in the middle stuff is what is leaving out the middle class and we need to decided which way to do. Either way there are critics, but the current system and just putting band aids on it doesn't fix things. Either go back the way it used to be so everyone has the right to make their own living or fully take over so everyone is covered. I'm at the point I don't care which it is, but you can't cut the taxes on only the poor and middle class to make a successful full gov't system that is going to be fair for all people. Everyone has to do their part like they do in other countries. Only taking for the rich and businesses is not a fair system.

[NellieRose]

This was from Sarah Palin's speech today in Iowa.

"See, under a big government, more tax agenda, what you thought was yours would really start belonging to somebody else, to everybody else.

This sentence alone makes me bonkers...if anyone here thinks their property is theirs and they own it apparently have no knowledge of "eminent domain" which effects real property.

Someone should ask Sarah Palin where she stands on "Eminent Domain" which is a favored technique of stealing from the poor to give to the rich of the Republicans.....talk about "spreading the wealth" - let some developer waltz into your neighborhood and decide they want your land so they can build and profit from it. And, the Supreme Court has upheld decisions on this with Sandra Day O'Connor and Clarence Thomas writing that it would be detrimental to the poor......and it has been.

So, please, all the talk of big government, tax agenda is nothing more than words to attract the not so informed and instill fear.

Real Property isn't the only "property" at risk, just look at the nationalization fo the bigger banks 2 weeks ago....the government did it to corporations by telling them they had no choice in participating in the "voluntary" funding program of the bailout.....

[HLWalter725]

This sentence alone makes me bonkers...if anyone here thinks their property is theirs and they own it apparently have no knowledge of "eminent domain" which effects real property.

Someone should ask Sarah Palin where she stands on "Eminent Domain" which is a favored technique of stealing from the poor to give to the rich of the Republicans.....talk about "spreading the wealth" - let some developer waltz into your neighborhood and decide they want your land so they can build and profit from it. And, the Supreme Court has upheld decisions on this with Sandra Day O'Connor and Clarence Thomas writing that it would be detrimental to the poor......and it has been.

So, please, all the talk of big government, tax agenda is nothing more than words to attract the not so informed and instill fear.

Real Property isn't the only "property" at risk, just look at the nationalization fo the bigger banks 2 weeks ago....the government did it to corporations by telling them they had no choice in participating in the "voluntary" funding program of the bailout.....

EXACTLY!! Everything she says is highly misleading and is designed as a fear appeal -- one that is clearly causing a lot of fear from otherwise intelligent (or maybe not so:shrug) people.

Not renewing Bush's tax cuts for the rich is not the same as seizing everyone's assets putting them in a big pot and splitting the pot amongst the country. COME ON PEOPLE!!!

[Scorpiosue1102]

So well said Jayne. I do NOT like them invoking fear that we're going to be like countries that are not free. I don't see how this is shoring up and undecided or independent voters.

[Gina.Maria]

Well it's the half and half problem. Either we should go to a fully nationalized system so that everyone's needs at met by raising our taxes and letting the gov't take over aspects of our lives that were once free will or they need to back off, lower taxes, limit their power, and let people have their free choice back. The in the middle stuff is what is leaving out the middle class and we need to decided which way to do. Either way there are critics, but the current system and just putting band aids on it doesn't fix things. Either go back the way it used to be so everyone has the right to make their own living or fully take over so everyone is covered. I'm at the point I don't care which it is, but you can't cut the taxes on only the poor and middle class to make a successful full gov't system that is going to be fair for all people. Everyone has to do their part like they do in other countries. Only taking for the rich and businesses is not a fair system.

Just because you can't imagine a system that both covers our citizens with affordable, comprehensive health care AND preserves our rights and privacy as citizens doesn't mean it can't happen. Many countries do just that. Ask our Australian friends - their system is similar to ours in its freedoms but everyone has basic comprehensive coverage. It's similar in Germany, as well. I understand your difficulty - I experienced it myself until I moved to Germany and participated in the system. It's not nearly as sinister as you think it is.

[kjbstevens]

Just because you can't imagine a system that both covers our citizens with affordable, comprehensive health care AND preserves our rights and privacy as citizens doesn't mean it can't happen. Many countries do just that. Ask our Australian friends - their system is similar to ours in its freedoms but everyone has basic comprehensive coverage. It's similar in Germany, as well. I understand your difficulty - I experienced it myself until I moved to Germany and participated in the system. It's not nearly as sinister as you think it is.
No Obama's plan does not cover everyone. It spends $55-65 million to do a few things but it does not cover anyone other than partial help for employer paid premiums to the employee only. Not all Americans are employed. It only changes it to where people still have to pay for the insurance itself. I do belive in getting rid of the preexisting thing but that is going to drastically increase costs in itself before even other things and we all have to suck up and pay higher premiums because of it. I have a genetic blood clotting disorder. My healthcare costs more than other people. That doesn't guarantee coverage for anyone if they still can't afford it. It's more options, but that still doesn't mean all people can pay for it or want to pay for it if they aren't employed.

[hellosunshine]

"See, under a big government, more tax agenda, what you thought was yours would really start belonging to somebody else, to everybody else. If you thought your income, your property, your inventory, your investments were, were yours, they would really collectively belong to everybody. Obama, Barack Obama has an ideological commitment to higher taxes, and I say this based on his record... Higher taxes, more government, misusing the power to tax leads to government moving into the role of some believing that government then has to take care of us. And government kind of moving into the role as the other half of our family, making decisions for us. Now, they do this in other countries where the people are not free. Let us fight for what is right. John McCain and I, we will put our trust in you."


This is my take on what she is talking about.

1. "under a big government" = she's meanin George W.'s/Cheney's terms of office creatin a huge goverment with lotsa debt, I mean a whopper of a debt!-- I betcha this is this what she's talkin about.

2. "what you thought was yours would really start belonging to somebody else" =
$1,000,000,000,000 mega bailout-- corporate welfare, Yup, she's gotta be talkin about this.

3. "government kind of moving into the role as the other half of our family" = well, you know like monitorin our own emails/phone calls whilst were's all unawares, sendin our sons/daughters into uh, uh, unnecessary war, --you betcha, she is talking about these thingies.

4. "now, they do this in other countries where the people are not free" - Come on, you gotta trust Palin on this, she's gotta be referrin to Russia--she coulda seen what's goin on firsthand lookin through binoculars from her backyard. No doubt about this here statement.

[HLWalter725]

"See, under a big government, more tax agenda, what you thought was yours would really start belonging to somebody else, to everybody else. If you thought your income, your property, your inventory, your investments were, were yours, they would really collectively belong to everybody. Obama, Barack Obama has an ideological commitment to higher taxes, and I say this based on his record... Higher taxes, more government, misusing the power to tax leads to government moving into the role of some believing that government then has to take care of us. And government kind of moving into the role as the other half of our family, making decisions for us. Now, they do this in other countries where the people are not free. Let us fight for what is right. John McCain and I, we will put our trust in you."


This is my take on what she is talking about.

1. "under a big government" = she's meanin George W.'s/Cheney's terms of office creatin a huge goverment with lotsa debt, I mean a whopper of a debt!-- I betcha this is this what she's talkin about.

2. "what you thought was yours would really start belonging to somebody else" =
$1,000,000,000,000 mega bailout-- corporate welfare, Yup, she's gotta be talkin about this.

3. "government kind of moving into the role as the other half of our family" = well, you know like monitorin our own emails/phone calls whilst were's all unawares, sendin our sons/daughters into uh, uh, unnecessary war, --you betcha, she is talking about these thingies.

4. "now, they do this in other countries where the people are not free" - Come on, you gotta trust Palin on this, she's gotta be referrin to Russia--she coulda seen what's goin on firsthand lookin through binoculars from her backyard. No doubt about this here statement.

:lol:lol:lol

[4noisyboys]

This is my take on what she is talking about.

1. "under a big government" = she's meanin George W.'s/Cheney's terms of office creatin a huge goverment with lotsa debt, I mean a whopper of a debt!-- I betcha this is this what she's talkin about.

2. "what you thought was yours would really start belonging to somebody else" =
$1,000,000,000,000 mega bailout-- corporate welfare, Yup, she's gotta be talkin about this.

3. "government kind of moving into the role as the other half of our family" = well, you know like monitorin our own emails/phone calls whilst were's all unawares, sendin our sons/daughters into uh, uh, unnecessary war, --you betcha, she is talking about these thingies.

4. "now, they do this in other countries where the people are not free" - Come on, you gotta trust Palin on this, she's gotta be referrin to Russia--she coulda seen what's goin on firsthand lookin through binoculars from her backyard. No doubt about this here statement.

:rofl2:rofl2

You totally had my dh and me rolling!!

[Gina.Maria]

No Obama's plan does not cover everyone. It spends $55-65 million to do a few things but it does not cover anyone other than partial help for employer paid premiums to the employee only. Not all Americans are employed. It only changes it to where people still have to pay for the insurance itself. I do belive in getting rid of the preexisting thing but that is going to drastically increase costs in itself before even other things and we all have to suck up and pay higher premiums because of it. I have a genetic blood clotting disorder. My healthcare costs more than other people. That doesn't guarantee coverage for anyone if they still can't afford it. It's more options, but that still doesn't mean all people can pay for it or want to pay for it if they aren't employed.

I think Obama's plan is a first step. I've said it before that Health Care in this country can't be fixed with one thing. It's a complex system and change has to happen at every level.

[kjbstevens]

But it's a very expensive step that leaves out the middle class again. If premiums go up by adding the pre existing stuff and all it doesn't really do much to help them if it's still more than they can afford even if the employer helps because of debt or bills they already are required to pay or lack of income. It's mostly just shifting around taxes. I think nationalization is more feasible than that or just giving me money towards what we owe so everyone gets something.

[Gina.Maria]

Germany just changed their law to make it even more cost-effective. All insurers must provide the same coverage for the same price. It essentially caps profits for private corporations (yes, many - if not most - of the insuarance companies in Germany are private) and caps expenses for employers and workers (yes, we pay a portion of our premium.) Otherwise, except for the absence of some of the U.S.' silly HMO rules (like you HAVE to have a referral from your GP before seeing a specialist) it's the same here. But doctors decide on diagnostics and course of treatment - not insurance companies.

[Theresa Hernandez]

She doesn't write her own speeches though. I'm sure this is part of the current strategy by the McCain campaign. I believe that's what they're trying to subtly suggest, but I'm not sure any reasonable person will believe that Obama wants a communist state. And those who might have a tendency to believe this, are probably already voting for McCain anyway, or the Libertarian candidate.

[snaggletooth75]

Um I really like Sarah but even I cant read between the lines tonight:(

[scribler]

I am pretty sure she is going after the "spread the wealth" idea. However, to be honest, she wasn't making a lot since. I think she was trying to ad-lib and still stick with the content she was given and messed the whole thing up. Just my .02.

[DirtyFeetDesigns (heb1976)]

"See, under a big government, more tax agenda, what you thought was yours would really start belonging to somebody else, to everybody else. If you thought your income, your property, your inventory, your investments were, were yours, they would really collectively belong to everybody. Obama, Barack Obama has an ideological commitment to higher taxes, and I say this based on his record... Higher taxes, more government, misusing the power to tax leads to government moving into the role of some believing that government then has to take care of us. And government kind of moving into the role as the other half of our family, making decisions for us. Now, they do this in other countries where the people are not free. Let us fight for what is right. John McCain and I, we will put our trust in you."


This is my take on what she is talking about.

1. "under a big government" = she's meanin George W.'s/Cheney's terms of office creatin a huge goverment with lotsa debt, I mean a whopper of a debt!-- I betcha this is this what she's talkin about.

2. "what you thought was yours would really start belonging to somebody else" =
$1,000,000,000,000 mega bailout-- corporate welfare, Yup, she's gotta be talkin about this.

3. "government kind of moving into the role as the other half of our family" = well, you know like monitorin our own emails/phone calls whilst were's all unawares, sendin our sons/daughters into uh, uh, unnecessary war, --you betcha, she is talking about these thingies.

4. "now, they do this in other countries where the people are not free" - Come on, you gotta trust Palin on this, she's gotta be referrin to Russia--she coulda seen what's goin on firsthand lookin through binoculars from her backyard. No doubt about this here statement.

Ok look ... you cannot ask the supposed anti-Obama's to stop posting the negative crap against him and then blatantly diss her by the way she talks. Diss her policies ... not her voice. Sorry, it is so childish - I don't care who you are.

[4PeasInMyPod]

Ok look ... you cannot ask the supposed anti-Obama's to stop posting the negative crap against him and then blatantly diss her by the way she talks. Diss her policies ... not her voice. Sorry, it is so childish - I don't care who you are.

I don't see that the poster was "dissing" Palin's voice, but rather copying her rather distinctive manner of speaking.

BTW, I cringe at the though of Palin ever addressing heads of state. Sadly, she can't utter a complete coherent thought IMHO.

[Gina.Maria]

Ok look ... you cannot ask the supposed anti-Obama's to stop posting the negative crap against him and then blatantly diss her by the way she talks. Diss her policies ... not her voice. Sorry, it is so childish - I don't care who you are.

It's satire and she's free to post it.

[bho]

I think both candidates/parties are looking to expand government and limit our freedoms.

My favorite quote comes from Gerald Ford: "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have. "

I truly believe this to be true, and I see our freedoms getting more limited every day by BOTH parties. I guess that's why I'm a libertarian.

[Florida Cindy]

I'm not trying to stir up trouble, but out of anything this is REALLY troubling to me. I think John McCain is a good man, but what is she thinking?


She's not thinking. She's stretching and distorting what she's been led to believe. Do you think the American people will tolerate the USA becoming a true Communist country? I think Dr. Suess would've been a better VP than she.

[Glueless Media]

I think both candidates/parties are looking to expand government and limit our freedoms.

My favorite quote comes from Gerald Ford: "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have. "

I truly believe this to be true, and I see our freedoms getting more limited every day by BOTH parties. I guess that's why I'm a libertarian.

Never heard the quote, love it and you nailed it right on the head. The more freedoms we give, or they take, force upon us the closer we come to not even having a mind or voice of our own.

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

Yep - like laying down for the Patriot Act and letting the FBI have license to wire tap your phones, monitor your internet habits, examine your library borrowing recrods, let teh border patrol seize your iPods, cell phones and laptops- ALL of this without needing warrnats or a reason- and the border patrol may keep those items up to 2 months, copy your data and share it between governement agencies. Yeah. Nice . Anybody here do theri banking online? Feel safe with countless people possibly having access to it?
Then throw in the violation of your constittuinal rights via drug testing your bodily fluids. Tests that prove use not influence. And results that incriminate you despite your 5th Amendment right to NOT testify agianst yourself. And now they urge us to treat our kids to this in middle school- as parents- start getting thsoe good little soldiers to pee in the cup for you. MAkes it so much easier for everyone down the road to require the same ;-)

[strangejen]

great point, Miki. The Patriot Act scares me. How hard is it to get a warrant if something is suspected? To me, the Patriot Act completely nullifies a good part of the constitution. :(

[Gina.Maria]

I don't consider the Patriot Act patriotic, in the least.

[Scorpiosue1102]

The Patriot Act is just like Big Brother. The fact that more people do not question this is baffling to me. One act by 19 men have taken away our rights by using our fear against us. Bin Laden didn't have to strike again. Our nation is in shambles on it's own.

[Glueless Media]

Yep - like laying down for the Patriot Act and letting the FBI have license to wire tap your phones, monitor your internet habits, examine your library borrowing recrods, let teh border patrol seize your iPods, cell phones and laptops- ALL of this without needing warrnats or a reason- and the border patrol may keep those items up to 2 months, copy your data and share it between governement agencies. Yeah. Nice . Anybody here do theri banking online? Feel safe with countless people possibly having access to it?
Then throw in the violation of your constittuinal rights via drug testing your bodily fluids. Tests that prove use not influence. And results that incriminate you despite your 5th Amendment right to NOT testify agianst yourself. And now they urge us to treat our kids to this in middle school- as parents- start getting thsoe good little soldiers to pee in the cup for you. MAkes it so much easier for everyone down the road to require the same ;-)


I never thought of this Miki. I do ALL my bills, banking online:(

[Microferk ~ Miki Ferkul]

Vickie- I don't think I've told you what a pleasure it is to discuss things with you. You're very gracious in your answers- and you know- it makes me want to read what you have to say and consider it very carefully. I really respect the way you carry yourself.:wub

[Glueless Media]

Vickie- I don't think I've told you what a pleasure it is to discuss things with you. You're very gracious in your answers- and you know- it makes me want to read what you have to say and consider it very carefully. I really respect the way you carry yourself.:wub


:happyhug
I feel the same way about you Miki. It means alot. You and I have had more experience in knowing how it can be behind closed doors and know how I am. I try really hard. I am passionate about giving the underdog the benefit of the doubt until I can't anymore.:shrugI really try to see good in everyone:) Gosh knows if I have stepped on anyones toes it wasn't meant to but you know we get involved in the heat of the moment and things happen.