ISO designers who allow for hybrid use

[bellajoy]

So, I am fairly familiar with TOU's out there and have a good list of designers from whom I can purchase for my digi-scrap-for-hire business, but I have a question on behalf of my sister.

My sister is a paper scrapper and is building a scrap-for-hire business, doing layouts and cards and "quick page" albums. I am helping her build a website and she is working a lot with customers in her area, holding parties and such in her home, helping gals get their scrapbooking done.

She would love to utilize digital products, especially when she can't find unique embellishments available in paper scrapbook stores. Her idea was that she could get fun digi embellies and print, cut and use them with her paper scrapping and crafting. There are so many themes that are hard to find in paper stores, that are readiliy available in digi-land.

However, most of what she does is "quick page" in nature. In fact, I'd say that currently 95% of her products are pre-made pages that customers can purchase and add their pictures to and finish their books. ALL of the items we are loading into her store right now are 2 page, pre-made layouts.

Now, from what I've read in TOU's, using digi products for this kind of thing is pretty much NOT allowed. Am I correct in how I'm reading the TOU's? Are there any designers who would allow this kind of usage for paper layouts and/or cards?

It gets confusing, because I think SOMETIMES she could use items for cards, i.e., a generic thank you card, but if it's a "quick page" where someone could add a photo - that's not ok?

I want to help her find her way through the minefield that is TOU-land, and I want to understand it all better myself, especially since I'm helping her build her website and learn all about digi-scrapping products. I don't want to give her bad information or get either of us into hot water! :)

Thanks for any help ya'll can give me/us!

[Roberta]

Part of the confusion for me is the term "quick page". I have always used it to refer to a digital product, not a paper product. My Angel Policy would allow for these types of items IF they were distributed as printed products that the customer would add a photo to - either on top, behind, or between layers. It would not allow for it if they were digital files that she is creating and distributing like the digital "quick pages" that I create.

Hope that helps.

[bellajoy]

Roberta,

I do think that it's hard for hybrid/paper crafters to know if they are ok, because the terms (like "quickpage") are similar or the same, but the end product is completely different!

My sister most definitely won't be doing any "digital" anything, expect purchasing products that she can print and use on paper crafts/products. She barely can handle email - I'm sure I'll be walking her through her digital purchases, step-by-step. :-)

Thanks so much for replying!

[DebF]

your sister is welcome to use my products - paper scrapping with my digital products, including completed paper pages is expressly allowed in my Limited Professional Use license --> read it here (http://debfdigiscraps.com/DebF_angel-use-license.pdf)

the difficulty is making the distinction in the written terms between digital quickpages, and completed paper pages :)

[Just Plain Kristi]

Yeah, I would totally not use the term 'quick page' if you're printing the elements and assembling like in regular paper scrapping. I would just call them pre-made albums or pages...that's what we called them back when I was doing paper scrapping for hire. You could buy pages that were pre-made or have them scrapped specifically for your pictures (themes, colors, embellies, etc.) Making pre-mades was a bit of a risk cause you had to hit upon the right colors, etc. for them to sell well at craft fairs, etc. But I totally see quickpage as something assembled on the computer and can be printed and sold over and over. But that's my personal interpretation...I would suggest contacting designers directly.

kaylaugh

[bellajoy]

Thanks Deb! I've forwarded her a link to your store. And added you to my list as well. :-)

And Kaylaugh, you are right - it's probably terminology that's getting in the way when I read TOU's, but I'm so used to thinking "digi" that I don't know how to think "paper". My sister has done pretty well with the pre-made stuff, partly because she has a built-in customer base of gals who wants books finished by don't know how or have the time to do it themselves.

As for digi stuff and TOU's, I'll have to just find cute stuff for her, and then do some emailing with designers! (But please, designers who read this, if you are ok with the paper/printing/pre-made thing, please let me know here to save me some surfing and emailing time!)

Thanks gals...

[akhn]

I will watch that thread :) glad you ask about this.

[digitalcouture]

Our TOU for Creative Confusion Designs allows for this type of use. We allow you to "print" up to 30 cards/invites/identical pages for other/etc with no extra fee needed.

You can check out our designs at Scrapbook Bytes. If you or your sister have other needs just pm or email me and we can look into additional licensing for you.

[bellajoy]

Thanks Digital Couture! I've bookmarked your store, and sent my sis your link! :-)

[Colleens Creations]

MY TOU allows printable crafts which is what I would consider this.

[strawbry_wine]

Hybrid is ok with my products! The only limitation I have in my TOU is commercial printing in the case of large commercial printers. Even crafters can use my things, again, all spelled out in my TOU. I'll repost what I posted in another thread here:

My products are S4Os, small craft businesses, and web design friendly! Download my TOU here (http://strawberrywinedesigns.com/strawberrywinedesignstermsofuse.zip).

My product delivery is a little bit different however as a subscription site with many advantages. This venue is the perfect way to present ideas to your clients so they can choose what they'd like for you to use out of an extensive variety of products--just bring them to the catalog to browse! I've also started recently providing all papers in 2 sizes, 12x12 and 8.5x11 for those of you who print at home. As I get the time, all older products will have this size added to the catalog.

I know subscription sites have gotten a bum rap lately, but my subscriptions are on a monthly basis and for the amount of product you receive, the value is not matched any where else on the 'web so you KNOW you're receiving ALL of your money's worth! I add to the catalog at the rate of 2 new product lines a month.

You can view all of my products available for immediate download today here on this page (http://www.strawberrywinedesigns.com/allprod.html), and a more in depth explanation of the subscription experience here on this page (http://www.strawberrywinedesigns.com/subscribe.html). I just recently added this product to the catalog (only showing the 8.5x11 here to save space, papers come in 12x12 also.):

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l171/strawbry_wine/LPIKE_resolution11-p1-6.jpg


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l171/strawbry_wine/LPIKE_resolution12-p2-6.jpg


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l171/strawbry_wine/LPIKE_resolution11-p1-6-pap.jpg


http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l171/strawbry_wine/LPIKE_resolution11-p2-6-pap.jpg

If you have any questions please do not hesitate to email me: liz@strawberrywinedesigns.com.

[bellajoy]

Thanks Colleen! You've definitely got some elements in your kits that I know my sister will love!

And Liz - thanks for all the previews and info! I had been to your site before, but for some reason missed the "all the products" page where I could preview everything that is available for download. I'll be forwarding your link on too, and bookmarking for my own use! Love the sewn elements in Resolution!

[Diane]

Here's a link to my TOU:
http://www.digitalscrapbookcreations.co.uk/TOU.htm

I allow commercial and professional use i.e scrap for hire, card-making, hybrid scrapping, arts and crafts

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[diannerigdon]

But she's SELLING quick pages right? Then what she is doing is not scrap for hire and therefore would not work with many tou. She is creating a product and selling it and in my opinion, that counts for commercial use, not s4h. It doesn't have anything to do with hybrid or digital use, but rather the format she is using to sell her creations. Hope this helps. However it does seem like there are many designers who are willing to accommodate this kind of use.

[strawbry_wine]

But she's SELLING quick pages right? Then what she is doing is not scrap for hire and therefore would not work with many tou. She is creating a product and selling it and in my opinion, that counts for commercial use, not s4h. It doesn't have anything to do with hybrid or digital use, but rather the format she is using to sell her creations. Hope this helps. However it does seem like there are many designers who are willing to accommodate this kind of use.

PAPER quick pages, not digi is what I understood, embellished with digi things. Which is fine by me also.

[Sherri Tierney]

Char, she is welcome to use my products as well :) Given that these are paper products that will be distributed to her customers and not digital files, I'm fine with it. I actually don't mind if people make quick pages with my products to use for their scrap for hire business as long as they give the customer the page WITH their photo on it (so that the customer can't re-use it over and over, at least not without some work on their part). Since these will be paper pages and she'll have to go through the trouble of printing and cutting, etc. for each one, I look at it totally different even if the customer is receiving the page without pictures on it. For me it has to do with the amount of work involved on her part. I also can't imagine she'd be taking customers away from me by using the products in this fashion (as someone making and selling digital quick pages that could be used over and over, pirated, etc.).

[bellajoy]

Dianne, but I think the fact that they are paper "quick pages" is what makes it so confusing, since because it's paper, they kind of fall into the category of a hand-made craft product and a lot of designers allow for that under the S4O terms, but at the same time, it's a quick page layout, and the same designers don't allow for quick pages. Ugh - anyway! Thanks for your comments!

And yes, Liz - she will be doing paper, with digi elements that she prints. Thanks for the confirmation about your products.

And thanks Sherri! You are right - it's definitely more work to do paper quick pages! :-) In fact, my sister was just lamenting that today when we were discussing the differences in what I do with digi and what she does with paper. She wasn't lamenting it enough to actually make the move to digi (that will probably never happen, as she's only recently figured out how to send an email..hehe), but she was finally "getting" what I love so much about digi-scrappin! Anyway, I'll send her a link to your store too!

[NatalieBird]

Your sister is more than welcome to use my things too Links to my stores are in my sig:)

[AmyTeets]

I allow for hybrid use. 100 prints per license:
http://www.oscraps.com/shop/product.php?productid=18445&cat=0&page=2

[bellajoy]

Thanks so much, Natalie and Amy! What a great list of designers this is shaping up to be! :-)

[heart2heartdesigns]

I've just changed my Terms of Use (http://www.heart2heartdesigns.com/tou) to allow S4H, S4O, and professional use without fees or notification. Good luck to all of you wonderful designers out there!

[bellajoy]

Thanks Susan! :-)

[Claudi]

me :-) crafter are allowed too

[bellajoy]

Thanks Claudi!

As an aside - I'll be in touch with you by PM hopefully this evening - have a few things to show you, but need to get them zipped up! :-)

[Barb Speck]

You can read my Commercial Use TOU here

http://www.barbaraspeckdesigns.digiscrapshopping.com/?page_id=10


The Plopper Pages I talk about in my TOU are those that are digitally made and flattened where you just add photos and then sell those separate pages to customers. Otherwise you may use my items for any Scrap4Hire, Scrap4Others or paper craft use.

[bellajoy]

Thanks Barb! Added you to her/my list. :-)

[diannerigdon]

Right just to clarify....just because they are paper quick pages doesn't mean she can't crank the same exact layout over and over and over using digital products right? And continue to potentially generate income from using one template over and over? That's not truly the same as a paper layout imho. I would still consider that commercial use. :)