the TRUTH about the protests

[Dustybear]

for those who sincerely want to know the truth... this isn't a debate. it is past time for that; i'm just passing along information to those who want to know what is really going on, because the mainstream media is not providing these facts.

this article shows the actual proof about the planning & training which went into organizing the protests & trying to cause chaos & revolution in our country. these groups include Al Qaeda, socialists, anarchists, the Democratic Party, unions & other radicals. archives of email correspondence is located at the link.

http://biggovernment.com/thomasryan/...ons-democrats/

Then, at the end of August, we were alerted by a fellow researcher that information about USDoR (U.S. Day of Rage, to which Occupy Wall Street is connected) had been posted on Shamuk and Al-Jahad, two Al-Qaeda recruitment sites.

.... A few of us had attended several of the pre-protest meet-ups and training classes. The Civil Disobedience training was taught by Elliot “Smokey” Madison, a New York-based anarchist who is a member of the People’s Law Collective, a voluntary group that advises protesters on legal issues arising from their actions. The Media training was taught by Vlad Teichberg, a New York based anarchist who is a member of the Glass Bead Collective, an artistic activist group.

After attending these meetings and socializing with those present, several of our team members were added to all the mailing lists of the “Occupy” group. That is how we created the email archive that we are sharing with you (see below). In addition to the involvement of socialists, anarchists, and other radicals, the emails also reveal heavy union involvement from the beginning of the “Occupy” movement, as well as discussion about the role of the Democratic Party, and how the movement should respond to President Barack Obama.

The emails also reveal that the Occupation attempted to provoke the New York Police Department prior to some of the clashes that occurred with activists.

[hazelsmrf]

I don't think our truths are the same, they probably don't even overlap anywhere at all

We even have Occupy Montreal now!
http://www.montrealgazette.com/busin...496/story.html

[Dustybear]

well, what is the saying: you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts... again ~ not trying to debate ~ but there is concrete proof in this article. you are welcome to ignore the facts, though.

[hazelsmrf]

That some crazy people attach themselves to a movement is not news, it happens to any movement. This all reeks of conspiracy theory to me. But yes, you are entitled to your own "facts".

[vegaschristina]

Originally Posted by Dustybear

Then, at the end of August, we were alerted by a fellow researcher that information about USDoR (U.S. Day of Rage, to which Occupy Wall Street is connected) had been posted on Shamuk and Al-Jahad, two Al-Qaeda recruitment sites.

I'm confused. If I decide to do something newsworthy. And if that newsworthy activity is reported on Shamuk and Al-Jahad, does that mean I'm working with Al-Qaeda recruiters?

Your logic, and that of the article writer, doesn't follow. If I'm doing something, and other people publish info about it in their newspaper, that doesn't mean we're working together. If someone decides to hold a meeting to protest anything, and they discuss how that protest should respond to POTUS or the DNC, that doesn't mean they're working with POTUS or the DNC.

I don't think the "facts" you're presenting don't add up to the conclusion you're reaching.

[JCSimon]

Originally Posted by vegaschristina

I'm confused. If I decide to do something newsworthy. And if that newsworthy activity is reported on Shamuk and Al-Jahad, does that mean I'm working with Al-Qaeda recruiters?

Apparently.

[Dustybear]

are you not concerned with the fact that Al-Qaeda is recruiting terrorists to become involved in the protest? because i'm just reading sarcasm from you... but that could be my misinterpretation.

[Dustybear]

and as for the "grassroots" protest, that has been debunked. "protesters" have given on-camera interviews stating they were being paid to be there. an ad was found on Craigslist seeking protesters:

http://biggovernment.com/mvadum/2011...upywallstreet/

"The WFP is seeking immediate hires.

You must be an energetic communicator, with a passion for social and economic justice.

Only outgoing, articulate dedicated, determined candidates will be considered for the positions.

For those candidates that qualify WFP offers substantial paid-training provided by senior leadership, on varied issues such as: advocacy, public speaking, mobilizing, fundraising, networking and organizing. We invest in passionate people with excellent communication skills and a full benefits package is offered to those candidates that qualify. In addition, there is opportunity for advancement and travel to our satellite chapters and out of state affiliates.

This is not a policy job! Through direct action you will be shaping NY state politics for the next 20 years.”

[hazelsmrf]

I could put up the same ad on Craigs List hiring for the Tea Party, but what would that prove?

[vegaschristina]

Originally Posted by Dustybear

are you not concerned with the fact that Al-Qaeda is recruiting terrorists to become involved in the protest? because i'm just reading sarcasm from you... but that could be my misinterpretation.

I was trying to understand how you made the leap from something was reported in the newspaper to Al-Qaeda is recruiting terrorists to become involved in OWS.

Here's how I see your logic as working: If I hit Powerball Lotto (not likely, I don't live in a lottery state, nor do I play, but still), and it gets reported on Al-Jahad, it follows that Al-Qaeda is recruiting terrorists to spend my winnings.

I don't get the connection of a newspaper reporting Activity A, and that somehow connecting a group of people who read that newspaper to Activity A. I simply see it as a group of paper who read an article about Activity A.

I also don't see it as fact that Al-Qaeda is recruiting terrorists to infiltrate the OWS protests.